[LesBaer]

I'd be willing to wager that over 90% of them will remain stock considering the way Dodge handled early Hellcat buyers who had bearing failure in the SC. Regardless of how fast it is, it's still a Dodge and will turn into a rattling POS within 4 years. I can't wait until my car is done and I run into one of these in the wild...should be fun

[1LE801]

Originally Posted by LesBaer

I'd be willing to wager that over 90% of them will remain stock considering the way Dodge handled early Hellcat buyers who had bearing failure in the SC. Regardless of how fast it is, it's still a Dodge and will turn into a rattling POS within 4 years. I can't wait until my car is done and I run into one of these in the wild...should be fun

Sadly, you are correct. Chryslers cars and vans are JUNK. Sure, they make high HP numbers but they are poorly built. Seen it first hand as a Chrysler service advisor.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by Hard Parker

Either way I wish Chevy marketing was this good..building so much hype

Dodge needs all the help they can get...they may not even be here in five years....as it is FCA has rebadged the trucks to Ram, killed the Viper, said the Dart and 200 is basically dead and no replacements are planned. After the LX is retired in 2020 or so, they may do a replacement with a Alfa Romeo based chassis, but I wouldn't be surprised if FCA canned the whole thing. They just waned Ram and Jeep...Sergio has even sort of said that.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Yes, the ability to outrun the ZL1 and most likely the new GT500 in all of the following forums which is where 99% of the average vehicle usage will occur: 0-60, 1/8 mile, ¼ mile, ½ mile, mile, top speed, street race, roll race, and car show, car meets. Hey the ZL1 still has the track venue which nobody races at. Dodge is building a street beast not a track queen.

Let's be honest, 90% of performance cars will spend their lives commuting or sitting in a garage. I'll grant you more will see a drag strip than a track, but the same could be said for a Honda Civic too. And people who really care about the drag strip don't go out and buy a new car just for it. I'd say at least 90% of cars at the track are a generation or more behind current models.

[SpeedIsLife]

Pretty much all the people who proclaim "track days" and "track performance" just talk..the most their cars will do is a spirited back road drive. Maybe half will actually take their cars to a drag strip and a smaller portion will do so regularly.

Genuine "I actually track my car" types know how expensive it can be ($1,500+ for a weekend) not counting entry fees. How does completely trashing a set of tires and brake pads sound? Because a good track weekend will do exactly that. Meanwhile a full month of drag racing each weekend might only cost you entry fees since your time on the tires is much less.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by LesBaer

I'd be willing to wager that over 90% of them will remain stock considering the way Dodge handled early Hellcat buyers who had bearing failure in the SC. Regardless of how fast it is, it's still a Dodge and will turn into a rattling POS within 4 years. I can't wait until my car is done and I run into one of these in the wild...should be fun

I thought Dodge vehicles were junk until I test drove a Challenger in 2009 and loved it, and bought it. I was supposed to buy a Gen 5 Camaro but refused to pay the then $10K markup dealers were asking on the Camaro since it was a new model.

Then sat in a Gen 5 Camaro when I considered buying one 2 years later as a daily and the interior was awful and cheap, so I got a 370Z instead. I was thankful I hadn't ordered the Camaro when I actually sat in one.

I still have my Challenger coming up on 8 years old next month. It's actually been a VERY good car and has held up much better than I ever expected. No rattles at all, and I've only had one issue with weather strip on the driver door.

I'd buy another in a heart beat.

My brand new Gen 6 Camaro has been to the dealer for repairs 3 times already. I love it too, but that's pretty bad. I'll have to see how it does over the next couple of years before I have real opinion on the quality.

I definitely have my ear to the ground on the Demon. I said I'd never part with my Challenger, but if this thing ends up being as bad as it looks, I just might.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Pretty much all the people who proclaim "track days" and "track performance" just talk..the most their cars will do is a spirited back road drive. Maybe half will actually take their cars to a drag strip and a smaller portion will do so regularly.

Genuine "I actually track my car" types know how expensive it can be ($1,500+ for a weekend) not counting entry fees. How does completely trashing a set of tires and brake pads sound? Because a good track weekend will do exactly that. Meanwhile a full month of drag racing each weekend might only cost you entry fees since your time on the tires is much less.

Bingo.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Yes, the ability to outrun the ZL1 and most likely the new GT500 in all of the following forums which is where 99% of the average vehicle usage will occur: 0-60, 1/8 mile, ¼ mile, ½ mile, mile, top speed, street race, roll race, and car show, car meets. Hey the ZL1 still has the track venue which nobody races at. Dodge is building a street beast not a track queen.

Yes, it sure seems like Dodge is trying to dominate the straight line stuff.

So what's the deal with the GT500? Still no info from Ford that I have seen. I don't follow it enough, when is it supposed to be announced? Do you think this new Demon put any delay in the GT500 announcement? I can't wait to see the numbers on both these two cars.

At lease if Dodge dies, it will go out with a roar instead of a whimper!

And speaking of road courses, do you think the new GT500 will begin with a GT350 like chassis, and be more like the ZL1 (in that, it will be more than just a straight line type of car)? Or do you think it will follow the Demon's lead and focus on the straight line?

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Pretty much all the people who proclaim "track days" and "track performance" just talk..the most their cars will do is a spirited back road drive. Maybe half will actually take their cars to a drag strip and a smaller portion will do so regularly.

Genuine "I actually track my car" types know how expensive it can be ($1,500+ for a weekend) not counting entry fees. How does completely trashing a set of tires and brake pads sound? Because a good track weekend will do exactly that. Meanwhile a full month of drag racing each weekend might only cost you entry fees since your time on the tires is much less.

Autocross is much cheaper, hence why I go that route.

Drag racing as you said, cheap...my local track depending on the night costs me either $15 or $22 and you can usually get in 4-8 runs.

I have been drag racing, (including borderline semi pro, for a few years) for like 20 years, I love it. BUT I tried autocross a few times, and it is addicting. The turning and braking aspect of it is very thrilling...

[SuperSound]

Let's keep things on topic. No need to get into reliability/quality discussions. There's plenty of information from the industry as to FCA's vs the rest of the auto makers.


Any word on pricing for this new version? I'm guessing higher than the Hellcat today.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Let's keep things on topic. No need to get into reliability/quality discussions. There's plenty of information from the industry as to FCA's vs the rest of the auto makers.


Any word on pricing for this new version? I'm guessing higher than the Hellcat today.

Not yet, my guess is that'll be revealed in April at NY

[SS 1LE]

Wonder if this will be limited production like the COPO and Cobra Jet?

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

Wonder if this will be limited production like the COPO and Cobra Jet?

Probably not as severe as the CJ, COPO and DragPak's, but my guess is there will be a "soft limit" IE production limits based on available hardware (like the regular Hellcats at first) of between 1,000 and 2,000. It'll limit their warranty liability, increase demand and cause people to rush out and basically make assured sales.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Pretty much all the people who proclaim "track days" and "track performance" just talk..the most their cars will do is a spirited back road drive. Maybe half will actually take their cars to a drag strip and a smaller portion will do so regularly.

Genuine "I actually track my car" types know how expensive it can be ($1,500+ for a weekend) not counting entry fees. How does completely trashing a set of tires and brake pads sound? Because a good track weekend will do exactly that. Meanwhile a full month of drag racing each weekend might only cost you entry fees since your time on the tires is much less.

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Exactly and this proves out in the 5th Gen ZL1 forum. The car was marketed just like the 6th Gen as a track warrior yet virtually nobody actually tracks their cars on the forum, they instead like to quote Ring times. The focus in the forum is on street and strip and modifying their cars to be faster in these forums. The same will be the case with the 6th Gen. So please tell me where Dodge has got it wrong focusing on street and strip performance . Now I do give Chevy credit the SS and ZL1 are quick on the street and strip, the problem is they haven't proven to be faster than the 3 yro Hellcat, and are now one upped by the Demon, and soon will be by the 500, not a good roll out.