[Doyal_Mcneff]

Ok guys...

I'm debating on whether to get eibach springs and BMR sway bars or BC coilovers. I would love to hear what you would chose and why. Springs/swaybars vs. coilovers

[glenB]

I had BC coilovers on my SS, updated Zeta II chassis. The front worked fine, no complaints, but the rears .......

I had them revalved twice to correct the rebound and never did. The rear acted just like a truck when it hit road joints etc. It would compress, and then shoot straight up. As long as the road was smooth, it was OK, but how often does that happen. If I remember they use the same 12Kg spring in the rear and the gen 6 is lighter. I eventually got rid of them for H & R coilovers. If you have to get coilovers get the DR series or the ER.

For Eibachs, I had them on the same car. The ride was great, as long as a comfy ride is what you want. The rears are a progressive spring for a soft ride and in theory they are supposed to get stiffer as you compress them.

Before you say 'well, it's just an SS'. The SS pulls the same .98 as the gen 6 Camaro SS, so it's no slouch in the handling department.

I'm waiting for GM to release their handling kit for the non MRC SS. It's expensive, but it's a matched set, spring to strut/shock. Get the ZL1/LE1 sway bars or the adjustables from BMR. The GM bars come with a front lower arm, guessing the bushing is an up grade and cheaper than the BMR bars.

[glenB]

GM kit from Sledgehammer

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showpo...86&postcount=1

[diirk]

Every time I've done springs, I end up redoing them with coil overs

[Doyal_Mcneff]

Originally Posted by glenB

I had BC coilovers on my SS, updated Zeta II chassis. The front worked fine, no complaints, but the rears .......

I had them revalved twice to correct the rebound and never did. The rear acted just like a truck when it hit road joints etc. It would compress, and then shoot straight up. As long as the road was smooth, it was OK, but how often does that happen. If I remember they use the same 12Kg spring in the rear and the gen 6 is lighter. I eventually got rid of them for H & R coilovers. If you have to get coilovers get the DR series or the ER.

For Eibachs, I had them on the same car. The ride was great, as long as a comfy ride is what you want. The rears are a progressive spring for a soft ride and in theory they are supposed to get stiffer as you compress them.

Before you say 'well, it's just an SS'. The SS pulls the same .98 as the gen 6 Camaro SS, so it's no slouch in the handling department.

I'm waiting for GM to release their handling kit for the non MRC SS. It's expensive, but it's a matched set, spring to strut/shock. Get the ZL1/LE1 sway bars or the adjustables from BMR. The GM bars come with a front lower arm, guessing the bushing is an up grade and cheaper than the BMR bars.

I would be getting swift springs and I wouldn't go 12k in the rear. However...I'm I'm still trying to figure it all out. All I know is the kw coil overs I had were prefect and kw and BC are the only ones out right now.

[glenB]

Depends on how much you want to spend, MCS is available, but $$$ for a DD that rarely see's a road course.

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=475298

Concerning spring, the swift spring, while better, really has nothing to do with the rate, but the ease of install. BC may not have any other choice for the spring in the rear.

[Doyal_Mcneff]

[QUOTE=glenB;9472099]Depends on how much you want to spend, MCS is available, but $$$ for a DD that rarely see's a road course.

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=475298

Concerning spring, the swift spring, while better, really has nothing to do with the rate, but the ease of install. BC may not have any other choice for the spring in the rear.[/QUOTE

Well I thought you could chose you spring rate with swift springs. What do you mean it doesn't have anything to do with the spring rate?

[F1FTY]

Overheated the BRs on tail of the dragon several years back. Lost interest in budget shocks.

[Doyal_Mcneff]

Originally Posted by F1FTY

Overheated the BRs on tail of the dragon several years back. Lost interest in budget shocks.

Care to elaborate?

[glenB]

[QUOTE=Doyal_Mcneff;9472113]

Originally Posted by glenB

Depends on how much you want to spend, MCS is available, but $$$ for a DD that rarely see's a road course.

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=475298

Concerning spring, the swift spring, while better, really has nothing to do with the rate, but the ease of install. BC may not have any other choice for the spring in the rear.[/QUOTE

Well I thought you could chose you spring rate with swift springs. What do you mean it doesn't have anything to do with the spring rate?

The biggest difference between their standard spring and the Swift is their composition, it doesn't have anything to do with their spring rates. It's like buying a store brand belt compared to a Dayco.

I just looked at their site and what they show is a limited selection of Swift springs compared to their standard springs.

I'm not trying to talk you out of coilovers, they have their place, I just don't think the street is one of them, spend the money on a better, more engineered set. Valving has much more to do with the way they react than the spring, and IMO, that's where BC lacks on the low end coilover. Unless you buy their higher end, ER series or higher where you can adjust the compression/rebound separately.

People may say they feel great and they are a big improvement, but they don't really know until they compare them against a better set.

BR Series Coilover Chevrolet Camaro SS 2016
In Stock Items Ship Same Day!
$1,050.00
Front Spring: 6kg
Rear Spring: 12kg
*Special Information*: Swift Spring upgrade unavailable for rear
Camber: Front Standard/Rear

[F1FTY]

Originally Posted by Doyal_Mcneff

Care to elaborate?

Not trying to start a disagreement with BC or their product owners as this happened to me 10 years ago with the BR shocks.

After back to back to back go throughs of the tail of the dragon, the front shocks on my STi were feeling really odd in the turns. Like very inconsistent levels of damping. I pulled over and the adjusters would spin but there was no clicking to tell me which setting they were in (like usual). basically just free spinning adjusters. tried my best to find a stiffer setting and went back out for more runs. nothing improved. parked the car overnight and the next day they were fine again with clear clicks and differences between settings.

i replaced them with custom valved KW V3's (and that's another story altogether), and never ran into that issue again.

Because of that experience (and how the system continued to feel when pushed) plus many others, I won't personally buy the budget stuff again (lowering springs only, chinese shocks, etc.)

With all that said, i'm just one snowflake and we are all unique.

[rotis]

It all depends on your goals. If you just want the car to sit lower, then lowering springs are fine. If you want it to sit lower and legitimately handle well, then the GM kit is a good option. If you have driving competitions to win, then it gets significantly more complicated.

If I wasn't building a competitive AutoX car I'd go with the GM kit over low-end coilovers. My personal starting point for coilovers is a solid mid-range setup like the KW V3, it is well worth the extra money over BC stuff, IMO.

Think about your goals, and go from there. Just because setup X meets someone else's goals, doesn't mean it's right for you.

[Doyal_Mcneff]

[QUOTE=glenB;9472304]

Originally Posted by Doyal_Mcneff

The biggest difference between their standard spring and the Swift is their composition, it doesn't have anything to do with their spring rates. It's like buying a store brand belt compared to a Dayco.

I just looked at their site and what they show is a limited selection of Swift springs compared to their standard springs.

I'm not trying to talk you out of coilovers, they have their place, I just don't think the street is one of them, spend the money on a better, more engineered set. Valving has much more to do with the way they react than the spring, and IMO, that's where BC lacks on the low end coilover. Unless you buy their higher end, ER series or higher where you can adjust the compression/rebound separately.

People may say they feel great and they are a big improvement, but they don't really know until they compare them against a better set.

BR Series Coilover Chevrolet Camaro SS 2016
In Stock Items Ship Same Day!
$1,050.00
Front Spring: 6kg
Rear Spring: 12kg
*Special Information*: Swift Spring upgrade unavailable for rear
Camber: Front Standard/Rear

Yeah I agree about the valving which is why i want kw. I just don't want the v3's. I guess if I can find a good deal on them I'lol pull the trigger.

[diirk]

BC will customize the valving to the Swift spring rates. Swift springs are different than standard springs both in the material, their consistency and the fact that they're linear, not progressive.

Hence the difference between BC BR AND BC Custom. According to the tech at BC, you can get Swift springs front and rear.

I recommend these for a DD with occasional HPDE use. I would not use these for regular track use.
I have a set of these on another car and they work great. Perfect for DD with an occasional canyon. It allows you to dial in the exact rude height you want. The spring rates and valving will match unlike most lowering springs with stock shocks.

I don't consider these to be low end but rather mid range coil overs. KWv3 is on the high end. Not sure if there's any low end available.