[Sven59]

Yes

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by Faster12

I had to skip everybody responses just so I could say my peace! Lol. I'm absolutely floored that you guys kept feeding that troll. It's really pointless to state the obvious time and time again. Chevy wasn't competing with the hellcat or the mustang. Maybe in sales, but for the last two generations they have not even compared in performance metrics. The ZL1 set its sights on the M in 2012 and never looked back. This car is light years ahead of both the mustang and hellcat in total performance. This car did exactly what Chevy intended it to do and that would be considered a success, it's really that simple.

Agree for the most part, but these vs. HC threads are endless.

I'm remembering that MT M4 vs. SS comparison some time ago.

[Faster12]

And the comments about a roll race removing a lot of variables is just as true as stating a roll race introduces a lot of variables. And who says traction isn't an issue from a roll? How can we confirm both cars are traveling at the exact same speed when they takeoff? By comparison to a dig, how can we confirm that both cars are even at the "line"? How many more variables should we discuss? It think it is widely accepted that two cars on the same course or strip in this case, is the most accurate metric for comparing them.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

The man himself in the house!

Yes!!! He needs to show up more. I'd rather take his opinion over most of these trolls in here. It's funny when he posts something up or when someone else post something up of him and his cars, they are automatically discredited. smh. Anyhow, wish I had his lifestyle. Wait............

[96MrBass]

I still can't believe that he wasn't interested in knowing how they stacked up in different situations c'mon "John " man lol.

[Artos]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

Agree for the most part, but these vs. HC threads are endless.

I'm remembering that MT M4 vs. SS comparison some time ago.

The problem is the few who refuse to let themselves be subjective in even the smallest sense...simply to allow what the individual vehicles bring to the table. For a troll to say the ZL1 cannot beat the HC in the 1/4 so it's a failure & that is the end all is irrational and delusional on their part.

The internet brings out the stupid in people & shows itself right away who will not bring value to certain forums. Sometimes the ignore feature can be a good thing.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

Nobody? I would think it's majority do care stock for stock as you get them from the manufacturer and again maybe one can use it's power better maybe not.

In the internet world stock for stock is grand. In the real world where real people race their real cars with the intent of winning a race regardless of what they drive traction is as important as any other aspect of competition. Not rocket science. You can talk as much as you want about how quick your car is but he who is prepared has the distinct upper hand. If one stays away from a track and stays safe there is little argument. Just a proven fact Mr Bass. I do participate in racing often and have done it for decades. I try to help our younger racers improve their cars performance while staying safe as much as I can. And yes it's true, not all who own performance oriented cars race their cars. Personally, I'd rather watch paint dry than drive a numbers matching whatever. If I wanted to commute I'd buy a commuter but since I have a performance type vehicle I use it accordingly. To attempt going down a track on factory tires would potentially be disastrous on a track.

[08z51c6]

Can't believe this thread is still going. Who cares if it lost to a HC in THIS race, it's only one comparison and some people act like it's going to be the norm. Second, it ran a HC which is good for one thing, straight line racing. Do the same comparison on a track with turns and watch the HC roll over on its door handles. Bottom line is the ZL1 is the more complete car and has better all around performance which is what counts. The complete package, that's what GM wanted and I'd say they succeeded.

[96MrBass]

So Hennessy should have put on drag radials or slick's I guess lol. We already know owner's are going to mod em.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

In the internet world stock for stock is grand. In the real world where real people race their real cars with the intent of winning a race regardless of what they drive traction is as important as any other aspect of competition. Not rocket science. You can talk as much as you want about how quick your car is but he who is prepared has the distinct upper hand. If one stays away from a track and stays safe there is little argument. Just a proven fact Mr Bass.

How do you think they rate vacuum cleaners for consumers, the one from the factory or one with upgraded pulleys and wheels?

[Sven59]

We are consumers. We buy things and would like to know some things about them before we purchase. That is why MT, C&D exist to provide info to us the consumer. We want to know how one lawnmower performs to another. They don't let people modify them before a test. As consumers we want to know what the product does from the factory. Then we can make a decision what to buy based on from the factory and what we might change to suit us, like upgrading a computer. So you wanting to change the rules to cover the fat cats tire failure is ridiculous.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

In the internet world stock for stock is grand. In the real world where real people race their real cars with the intent of winning a race regardless of what they drive traction is as important as any other aspect of competition. Not rocket science. You can talk as much as you want about how quick your car is but he who is prepared has the distinct upper hand. If one stays away from a track and stays safe there is little argument. Just a proven fact Mr Bass. I do participate in racing often and have done it for decades. I try to help our younger racers improve their cars performance while staying safe as much as I can. And yes it's true, not all who own performance oriented cars race their cars. Personally, I'd rather watch paint dry than drive a numbers matching whatever. If I wanted to commute I'd buy a commuter but since I have a performance type vehicle I use it accordingly. To attempt going down a track on factory tires would potentially be disastrous on a track.

The COPO doesn't have a problem on factory tires. And it will blow away the the portly feline.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

So Hennessy should have put on drag radials or slick's I guess lol. We already know owner's are going to mod em.

No, Hennessy should have ran a stick shift HC against the ZL1 to make the race fair. I think the outcome would likely have been different but you can't shift like Grandma and expect to compete.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by Sven59

The COPO doesn't have a problem on factory tires. And it will blow away the the portly feline.

Yeah that's a fair comparison. LMAO That COPO is a badass ride. Lots of aftermarket parts there.