[96MrBass]

Originally Posted by mlee

That would have been a different story and they really need to learn about no lift shift. He lost a lot of ground shifting.

They are actually on the back end of a 1/4 drag strip in that video going backwards down the strip. Not sure why they never turn them around and go from a dig at the starting line. Makes no sense to me.

Just seems to me that they would want to see how the Z stands up to the other's and puts the power down. Even some of the reviews seem vaque on launching.

[762CAT]

I actually think on street tires running them from a dig would be interesting but also perhaps a little more reliant on the driver. Both cars will lose traction and spin. I think you remove that variable from a roll race and it becomes more of a car vs car than a driver vs driver. Certainly the ZL1 is better tired from the factory so in the 60ft it probably has the advantage but I think the M6 is never going to beat the cat in the 1/4. The A10 will be very interesting.

I run drag radials on my Hellcat full time and the difference is night and day. Dodge should have tired them better but that will be corrected in the 2018 model year when the Hellcat Wide body is available and the Hellcat ADR. Wide Body will have 305's and ADR will be on 315's and I believe 17 inch wheels. Horsepower gains also reported for the ADR.

I'm interested to see what happens when people start putting dome Drag Radials on the Zl1.....but then again the Zl1 handles so well I'm not sure I'd go drag radials full time??? We shall see.

[96MrBass]

Sinister ZL1 is a member on the forum says he raced a friend with a new Hellcat from a dig. He claims he got a 1 to 1.5 car on him on launch back and forth until about 130 I think.

[Artos]

In time we will finally get to see some real world straight up head to head with both street and slicks & it's always fun as you have to compare driver / track / day...still, the HC has the ponies even with the A10.

I would really like to see Dodge take her to the next level & bring the cat to a road course car...they know the game with the viper & no excuse to not incorporate this great car to compete with the mustang and Camaro. To me, the fun will really be when all three can balance the game in a $60-$70k vehicle.

I mean GM could always bring out another Chevelle to make a straight line car to compete with the HC...but let's do both & may the best car win in the 1/4 & course.

Originally Posted by 762CAT

I actually think on street tires running them from a dig would be interesting but also perhaps a little more reliant on the driver. Both cars will lose traction and spin. I think you remove that variable from a roll race and it becomes more of a car vs car than a driver vs driver. Certainly the ZL1 is better tired from the factory so in the 60ft it probably has the advantage but I think the M6 is never going to beat the cat in the 1/4. The A10 will be very interesting.

I run drag radials on my Hellcat full time and the difference is night and day. Dodge should have tired them better but that will be corrected in the 2018 model year when the Hellcat Wide body is available and the Hellcat ADR. Wide Body will have 305's and ADR will be on 315's and I believe 17 inch wheels. Horsepower gains also reported for the ADR.

I'm interested to see what happens when people start putting dome Drag Radials on the Zl1.....but then again the Zl1 handles so well I'm not sure I'd go drag radials full time??? We shall see.

[jjsc6]

Originally Posted by Artos

In time we will finally get to see some real world straight up head to head with both street and slicks & it's always fun as you have to compare driver / track / day...still, the HC has the ponies even with the A10.

I would really like to see Dodge take her to the next level & bring the cat to a road course car...they know the game with the viper & no excuse to not incorporate this great car to compete with the mustang and Camaro. To me, the fun will really be when all three can balance the game in a $60-$70k vehicle.

I mean GM could always bring out another Chevelle to make a straight line car to compete with the HC...but let's do both & may the best car win in the 1/4 & course.

Actually there is a reason they can't take it to a road course level. The only reason the Challenger exists is that it is essentially a two door Charger/300. Unlike GM, they have no other smaller rear drive platform to make the cost model viable for a smaller, lighter Challenger.

[Artos]

There is always engineering & redesign...I'm not knocking the car for what it is as I do like it, just suggesting it can & should be done in my humble opinion. I think Ford & GM did well with the 350R & new ZL1.

I guess I'm obviously in the minority wanting Dodge to bring a car that can do both in the same price point...maybe it will be Jeep & the Trackhawk.

Originally Posted by jjsc6

Actually there is a reason they can't take it to a road course level. The only reason the Challenger exists is that it is essentially a two door Charger/300. Unlike GM, they have no other smaller rear drive platform to make the cost model viable for a smaller, lighter Challenger.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

Be open minded, research, ask, look, and open your mind. Real talk.

http://richhabits.net/open-minded-a-...essful-people/

Originally Posted by jjsc6

Could it be that some folks are just huge car nuts and like to follow a lot of interesting cars? The most interesting four wheel vehicle I own right now is an A7 Audi. I do have more than one really fast motorcycle though.

I don't mind discussing the merits of any car...but it's clear that folks come on here to spew kitty juice and are capable only of praise for the HC and bash any car with an LT4 in it.

To them my remark is aimed.

It is clear what GM aimed to do with both 5th and 6th gen ZL1...It's easy to make a one trick pony...FCA

BTW...the HC is a great car and if I was interested in a one trick car I'd consider one.

[mdmoore23]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

However, I'll say this too: The A10 ZL1 better not beat the HC at its straight line game. If that's the case then the HC is done.

The Hellcat won't be done. It appeals to most of its buyers for a reason the Camaro or Mustang can't match. And that's it's size. It has never been marketed as anything but a straight line rocket. Its owners get that. Variety is good. From this video, I don't think the Cat is in any danger from the A10. I think it would run neck and neck at best. And that's fine. Because like I said, the Hellcat is a beast when pointed straight.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by mdmoore23

The Hellcat won't be done. It appeals to most of its buyers for a reason the Camaro or Mustang can't match. And that's it's size. It has never been marketed as anything but a straight line rocket. Its owners get that. Variety is good. From this video, I don't think the Cat is in any danger from the A10. I think it would run neck and neck at best. And that's fine. Because like I said, the Hellcat is a beast when pointed straight.

From a roll.

[mdmoore23]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

Ignore list updated.

If the HC is such a great car, why are there so many HC pundits hanging out in the ZL1 forum? Go circle je.k with your fellow kitty lovers over at www.ilovemyfatkitty.com

Some of you really need to get out of the fan boy mentality. American automakers are killing it right now. There's no reason to bash any of these cars. Yes, I currently have a Hellcat challenger. But in the last 10 years I've had an 03 Cobra, 08 Z06, 2013 GT500, 2014 Stingray Z51, BMW 428i (only regret). So I frequent all the forums, because I'm not so blind brand loyalist. I'm 32 and it's crazy to me when I see older guys saying I've driven brand x all my life. I love the experience each of these cars have given me, and couldn't imagine going through life just ignoring certain brands for no good reason. I was also excited about the 6th gen Camaro (ZL1 especially), but I think GM dropped the ball big time with this Camaro's exterior. The profile is far too similar to the gen 5. It's still the best all around car at its price point in my opinion though.

[Jeffro19]

Good video to watch. Very close but definitely the ZL1 lost some ground when he shifted. Would LOVE to see a dig race between those 2. It would be very close I'm sure. No doubt the hellcat is a fast car as is the ZL1. Also can't wait to see this same race with the A10. Not worried about the GT500 since nothing is known about it just rumors.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by mdmoore23

Some of you really need to get out of the fan boy mentality. American automakers are killing it right now. There's no reason to bash any of these cars. Yes, I currently have a Hellcat challenger. But in the last 10 years I've had an 03 Cobra, 08 Z06, 2013 GT500, 2014 Stingray Z51, BMW 428i (only regret). So I frequent all the forums, because I'm not so blind brand loyalist. I'm 32 and it's crazy to me when I see older guys saying I've driven brand x all my life. I love the experience each of these cars have given me, and couldn't imagine going through life just ignoring certain brands for no good reason. I was also excited about the 6th gen Camaro (ZL1 especially), but I think GM dropped the ball big time with this Camaro's exterior. The profile is far too similar to the gen 5. It's still the best all around car at its price point in my opinion though.

I would consider a hellcat except for the fact it is still in the 20th century and at the bottom of the reliability list. There is nothing wrong with being loyal to a brand if it has been good to you. I am guessing there are some things in your life you have allegiance to, a football team, soda, etc. Just because you are loyal to a brand doesn't make you a fanboy (what a stupid term).

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by mdmoore23

Some of you really need to get out of the fan boy mentality. American automakers are killing it right now. There's no reason to bash any of these cars. Yes, I currently have a Hellcat challenger. But in the last 10 years I've had an 03 Cobra, 08 Z06, 2013 GT500, 2014 Stingray Z51, BMW 428i (only regret). So I frequent all the forums, because I'm not so blind brand loyalist. I'm 32 and it's crazy to me when I see older guys saying I've driven brand x all my life. I love the experience each of these cars have given me, and couldn't imagine going through life just ignoring certain brands for no good reason. I was also excited about the 6th gen Camaro (ZL1 especially), but I think GM dropped the ball big time with this Camaro's exterior. The profile is far too similar to the gen 5. It's still the best all around car at its price point in my opinion though.

I've been pretty consistent in all the v. HC threads...and yes it's been beaten to death...that is all due respect to the HC'S ability to run down a 1/4 track, but the ZL1 is not a muscle car, it's a performance car with more than one area of focus regarding performance.

Did FCA drop the ball by making the 4th Gen look nearly identical to a 1970 1st gen? I mean thank god they didn't make it look like 2nd gen or whatever this 1978 monstrosity is. I guess when their best looking car was from 1970...that's where they have to go.

[mdmoore23]

Originally Posted by Sven59

I would consider a hellcat except for the fact it is still in the 20th century and at the bottom of the reliability list. There is nothing wrong with being loyal to a brand if it has been good to you. I am guessing there are some things in your life you have allegiance to, a football team, soda, etc. Just because you are loyal to a brand doesn't make you a fanboy (what a stupid term).

I consider myself lucky, but none of the 10 cars I've had in the past 10 years have need to go to shop. So they've all been 100% reliable to me. We're in a different age of reliability in my opinion. Cars are on a whole other level vs. where they were in terms of reliability. I was a Ford mechanic paid on commission for 7 years. I saw first hand how build quality and reliability increased exponentially. Matter of fact, that's why I had to get on a different career path. Cars today may have quirks or first year issues, but for the most part they're all good to go. Especially the American brands.