[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by slo_1ss

We are discussing whether or not someone running racing tires qualifies for the "stock" list. Your thoughts?

Sport Cups aren't "racing tires"...they are street tires, get over it. Slicks, drag radials, and in "betweeners" as drag racers call them, like ET Streets are racing tires. The lack of drag racing tire knowledge in a drag racing thread is concerning...

[Merc]

Originally Posted by slo_1ss

We are discussing whether or not someone running racing tires qualifies for the "stock" list. Your thoughts?

It's like I said this thread is for posting times slips NOT CHAT! If you want to chat on a subject start a thread and chat away.

[Ian SS]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

Sport Cups aren't "racing tires"...they are street tires, get over it. Slicks, drag radials, and in "betweeners" as drag racers call them, like ET Streets are racing tires. The lack of drag racing tire knowledge in a drag racing thread is concerning...

Michelin advertises them as track tires: http://www.michelin.co.uk/GB/en/tyre...ort-cup-2.html

Quoting Tire Rack:
"The Pilot Sport Cup 2 is Michelin's Streetable Track & Competition tire originally developed for Original Equipment use on the Ferrari 458 Speciale, Mercedes SLS AMG Coupe Black Series and Porsche 918 Spyder hybrid super sports car. Designed to provide faster circuit times and consistent performance lap after lap, the Pilot Sport Cup 2 allows these supercars to achieve their full potential in dry conditions."

Nobody said they aren't street tires. But they are purposefully designed for track racing. They are also NOT STOCK TIRES. That is what this discussion is about.

As per Merc I'm no longer going to post, if you still feel some type of way about it feel free to start another thread.

[Merc]

We can always abandon the Fast List and turn this thread into a chat thread. Less work for me.

[Snowblind]

Originally Posted by slo_1ss

We are discussing whether or not someone running racing tires qualifies for the "stock" list. Your thoughts?

Originally Posted by Merc

It's like I said this thread is for posting times slips NOT CHAT! If you want to chat on a subject start a thread and chat away.

Hey Merc, you are the one that started the thread and you are the one that maintains it ( it's much appreciated btw) I think the question that slo asked is a valid one.....and would stop the bickering....just a simple clarification is all I believe he asked for.

Thanks again for devoting your time to the list

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by slo_1ss

Quoting Tire Rack:
Streetable

A "racing" tire as you called them many times is not street legal, which these are. As i said, they are street tires.

Not to mention they are designed for better track performance, meaning road course, autoX, etc. That equals a stiffer sidewall. That is a negative thing for drag racing, hence why drag tires have soft sidewalls.

Sorry Merc, just needed to clearify some misconceptions and falsities.

[Steve 2016 SS]

Originally Posted by slo_1ss

Glad that you mentioned SCCA. His tire size is a 180 treadwear tire. These tires would disqualify him from any street class.

By the way, tire rack doesn't have a Sport Cup 2 in a 315 size???

Sorry Merc one last thing...... typo on 315 thats my DR, they are 305 and 285 front. also they come on Audi as well.

[Ian SS]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

A "racing" tire as you called them many times is not street legal, which these are. As i said, they are street tires.

Not to mention they are designed for better track performance, meaning road course, autoX, etc. That equals a stiffer sidewall. That is a negative thing for drag racing, hence why drag tires have soft sidewalls.

Sorry Merc, just needed to clearify some misconceptions and falsities.

Don't assume that my definition of "racing" tire is the same as your definition. To me, a racing tire such as Pilot Sport Cup 2's CAN be street tires as well. But they were made for 1 thing -- RACING! Drag radials are meant for one thing -- RACING, however they are still street legal.

The stiffer sidewall is really not that big of a deal, as they have stiff sidewall slicks available. However the softer and stickier compound is a HUGE plus for launching, hence the 60ft.

You said it yourself, they were designed for better TRACK performance, stop arguing that they should be included on the stock list!

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by slo_1ss

Don't assume that my definition of "racing" tire is the same as your definition. To me, a racing tire such as Pilot Sport Cup 2's CAN be street tires as well. But they were made for 1 thing -- RACING! Drag radials are meant for one thing -- RACING, however they are still street legal.

The stiffer sidewall is really not that big of a deal, as they have stiff sidewall slicks available. However the softer and stickier compound is a HUGE plus for launching, hence the 60ft.

You said it yourself, they were designed for better TRACK performance, stop arguing that they should be included on the stock list!

Thought you said you were done? You definitely are a car salesman...

[wnta1ss]

Tried bolt-ons for the first time, last night on my A8 Camaro. Drag radials on back and a drop-in air filter in the stock airbox.

Tires used on the pass: M/T ET Street 305/45-17
Performance Mods (if any): DR, drop-in air filter
Category submitted for:(3) Camaro SS 2016+ LT-1 Bolt On's NO Internal Mod's (Stock Displacement)
R/T.............. .275
60'............. 1.763
330'........... 5.044
660'........... 7.732
660’ mph.... 91.55
1000'........ 10.030
1320'........ 11.971
1320’ mph…113.80
Name of the track: New England Dragway
Date of pass: October 12, 2016
Weather conditions: temp about 60

Timeslip is below, right lane

[Steve 2016 SS]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

Tried bolt-ons for the first time, last night on my A8 Camaro. Drag radials on back and a drop-in air filter in the stock airbox.

Tires used on the pass: M/T ET Street 305/45-17
Performance Mods (if any): DR, drop-in air filter
Category submitted for:(3) Camaro SS 2016+ LT-1 Bolt On's NO Internal Mod's (Stock Displacement)
R/T.............. .275
60'............. 1.763
330'........... 5.044
660'........... 7.732
660’ mph.... 91.55
1000'........ 10.030
1320'........ 11.971
1320’ mph…113.80
Name of the track: New England Dragway
Date of pass: October 12, 2016
Weather conditions: temp about 60

Timeslip is below, right lane
Attachment 826460

Wicked 60 foot time, not sure what happened after that with that 60 foot I would have thought you would have a lower ET and more top end. a big minus DA at that track last night too.

[jdasnt3]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

Tried bolt-ons for the first time, last night on my A8 Camaro. Drag radials on back and a drop-in air filter in the stock airbox.

Tires used on the pass: M/T ET Street 305/45-17
Performance Mods (if any): DR, drop-in air filter
Category submitted for:(3) Camaro SS 2016+ LT-1 Bolt On's NO Internal Mod's (Stock Displacement)
R/T.............. .275
60'............. 1.763
330'........... 5.044
660'........... 7.732
660’ mph.... 91.55
1000'........ 10.030
1320'........ 11.971
1320’ mph…113.80
Name of the track: New England Dragway
Date of pass: October 12, 2016
Weather conditions: temp about 60

Timeslip is below, right lane
Attachment 826460

These runs are why I love this car. 11s with very little work. Congrats!

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by Steve 2016 SS

Wicked 60 foot time, not sure what happened after that with that 60 foot I would have thought you would have a lower ET and more top end. a big minus DA at that track last night too.

It's an auto, the lower (numerically higher) gear ratios will make them 60' well, but they won't keep that momentum all the way down. ET to ET, a manual will tend to trap a tad more if all things are totally equal. Lots and lots of variables...but if you would have had that 60' time you would have ran like an 11.70, just think about that lol...but I think a gear swap would be needed for that. Someone at some point will do that I'm sure...

[Steve 2016 SS]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

It's an auto, the lower (numerically higher) gear ratios will make them 60' well, but they won't keep that momentum all the way down. ET to ET, a manual will tend to trap a tad more if all things are totally equal. Lots and lots of variables...but if you would have had that 60' time you would have ran like an 11.70, just think about that lol...but I think a gear swap would be needed for that. Someone at some point will do that I'm sure...

Thanx SS 1LE for a good explanation!