[KMPrenger]

Very cool...loved the video!

The Camaro 1LE is extremely impressive! It punches above its price tag, that's easy to see. I'd call it the easy performance bargain winner in this competition.

Its also sweet that it seems to nip at the heels of the 350R and Z/28 at this track, making it all that more impressive. But I still put those two cars on a slightly higher pedestal than the 1LE....as they should be. On different and longer tracks, they will put a gap on the 1LE.

Whats great is that it wouldn't take a whole lot of work to put the 1LE on the same playing field and it would still cost significantly less. But when you start talking modified versus stock, that just isn't fair in conversations like this.

Awesome job Chevy!

[PYROLYSIS]

Originally Posted by 90503

Interesting that Randy gigs the 1LE for "brake fade"....with six pots and larger rotors, cooling ducts, etc...that's somewhat of a surprise....Stock pads for street and spirited driving will probably be ok....but it sounds like aftermarket pads for track days might be needed...

And significantly less weight in the car. The fifh gen brakes never had any compalints and the stopping distances for the 6th gen are longer than the 5th. Doesn't make sense.

[PYROLYSIS]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Very cool...loved the video!

The Camaro 1LE is extremely impressive! It punches above its price tag, that's easy to see. I'd call it the easy performance bargain winner in this competition.

Its also sweet that it seems to nip at the heels of the 350R and Z/28 at this track, making it all that more impressive. But I still put those two cars on a slightly higher pedestal than the 1LE....as they should be. On different and longer tracks, they will put a gap on the 1LE.

Whats great is that it wouldn't take a whole lot of work to put the 1LE on the same playing field and it would still cost significantly less. But when you start talking modified versus stock, that just isn't fair in conversations like this.

Awesome job Chevy!

Yep, Randy seems to have higher praise for the 1LE than some of the other contenders. I think the 1LE has a great shot at best drivers car.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

And significantly less weight in the car. The fifh gen brakes never had any compalints and the stopping distances for the 6th gen are longer than the 5th. Doesn't make sense.

There's been no official numbers released yet for braking, only the GM ones which are worse than what MT and others get in their testing. Unless something has just been released I haven't seen before.

Example:
GM - 60-0=117 ft
MT - 60-0=104 ft

[drewksmracer]

Originally Posted by BradfordCamaro

Why is it assumed Sport Cup 2s are that superior to these new tires made for the 1LE?

The Sport Cup 2's are a streetable race tire. The tires that come with the 1LE are a racy street tire. They're coming at the performance from the opposite ends of the spectrum, and the 1LE tires aren't even the best racy street tire. BFG and Bridgestone are at the top of that mountain right now in terms of 200 treadwear sports car tires.

[FNxR3DNECK]

Originally Posted by drewksmracer

The Sport Cup 2's are a streetable race tire. The tires that come with the 1LE are a racy street tire. They're coming at the performance from the opposite ends of the spectrum, and the 1LE tires aren't even the best racy street tire. BFG and Bridgestone are at the top of that mountain right now in terms of 200 treadwear sports car tires.

As much as I would love to say the new goodyears are up to par with the Cup 2's that was proved wrong to me with the C&D tests. the 1LE did 1.11 G's in turn 1 while the Grand Sport on Cup 2's did 1.19, and the GT350R did 1.18 I believe, the Cup 2 is just a cut above! But that's why they are like $500 a peice haha especially for 305s!

[HumanWiki]

And also pick up everything on the ground, are notoriously dangerous in wet/cold conditions and don't last as long... You gotta pay to play, even on tread and compound.

They're a great tire, but you will sacrifice some things for them on a DD car.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

And significantly less weight in the car. The fifh gen brakes never had any compalints and the stopping distances for the 6th gen are longer than the 5th. Doesn't make sense.

According to this MT article: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevr...et-audi-acura/

"Not only did the SS 1LE set new all-time Camaro records (braking, skidpad, figure eight), but it also lowered the Camaro’s lap time around Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca, beating those heavy hitters, the 2012 Camaro ZL1 and 2014 Camaro Z/28."

Seems it just may benefit from a simple fluid or pad upgrade, which is common and typical for anyone tracking a car...

[FNxR3DNECK]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

The reason I ask is, when they've done the SS before, you can see the vents on, but they left the two tire air dams on as well -- you're supposed to take them off.

I've not seen too many low or under car pics of 1LE in final form to know how they did the track vents.. and, if it's an option on the SS models, I'm just curious what they did with it.. Previously, you weren't supposed to leave them in or the smaller backing plate on due to debris interaction and weather exposure. It's entirely possible they changed the vents up enough that they go on at the factory and stay on. I just don't know if anyone ever confirmed that.. We've seen some of the ZL1 venting -- but, I don't remember too much on how the 1LE was set up.

I've noticed a difference on a track with them off, so they do work. I'm just curious if that was a contributing issue or if the pads really did get hot (or if the brake fluid was just starting to get over temp) -- if it was just the brake fluid, that's a non-issue and easy to deal with thing. Pads getting hot takes more money and time to swap.

There is a good down low pic of the 1LE in today's MT article, they definitely removed the air deflectors from in front of the front tires. Also I believe the ZL1 and 1LE use different air deflectors for the brakes that are permanent instead of removable like on the SS, there were some pics from inside the wheel well of a ZL1 at the 50th celebration that showed this.

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by FNxR3DNECK

There is a good down low pic of the 1LE in today's MT article, they definitely removed the air deflectors from in front of the front tires. Also I believe the ZL1 and 1LE use different air deflectors for the brakes that are permanent instead of removable like on the SS, there were some pics from inside the wheel well of a ZL1 at the 50th celebration that showed this.

I've seen the ZL1 ones.. I've not seen the solid ones on 1LE and at the time, all people kept saying was it had track vents .. but no one showed an actual 1LE pic from under and how they looked.

That's great if 1LE are installed permanent as well.. and if that's back-port capable to non-1LE SS cars, I can see some track rats picking up those pieces as well.

[FNxR3DNECK]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

I've seen the ZL1 ones.. I've not seen the solid ones on 1LE and at the time, all people kept saying was it had track vents .. but no one showed an actual 1LE pic from under and how they looked.

That's great if 1LE are installed permanent as well.. and if that's back-port capable to non-1LE SS cars, I can see some track rats picking up those pieces as well.

I still believe that the black car was just a "show" car and not a true 1LE so it might not have had them.

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by FNxR3DNECK

I still believe that the black car was just a "show" car and not a true 1LE so it might not have had them.

So then there's still no solid information on what they did on the 1LE then for track ducting. If they didn't increase the primary inlet between the inboard and outboard radiators, there must be somewhere else they're picking up the additional air from. That pic of the blue one doesn't have the tips showing underneath, so either they're fully hidden from the splitter or they're in a different place and/or shorter.

[Thor142]

I keep looking at those lap times. Then at the price as tested.

Wow!

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by FNxR3DNECK

I still believe that the black car was just a "show" car and not a true 1LE so it might not have had them.

The black car is a '16 SS made to look like a '17 SS 1LE...it doesn't have the Fifty badge on the wheel, and it seems to have different backspacing on the front wheels compared to the white and blue production cars...that's common practice.