[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Sorry but the new GT isn't running mid 12s unless there are ideal conditions and track prep or hidden mods. I'll agree with the above poster I spend time at VMP and I see these new GTs turn high 12s to low 13s pass after pass. The quicker cars in the low 12s have mods and DRs. The 11-14 GTs are quicker.

That's is the result of poor tires that Ford selected. The mustang is extremely difficult to 60', hence the poor times. The MPH tells the tale of what the vehicle is capable of, and 112mph is an easy mid 12 second vehicle.

11-14's are only quicker because they are easier to launch. From a (gasp) roll, they are very evenly matched.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

That's is the result of poor tires that Ford selected. The mustang is extremely difficult to 60', hence the poor times. The MPH tells the tale of what the vehicle is capable of, and 112mph is an easy mid 12 second vehicle.

11-14's are only quicker because they are easier to launch. From a (gasp) roll, they are very evenly matched.

Below are the acceleration results from MotorTrend comparing the '16 SS (data on left) to '16 GT PP (data on right). Based on 0-30mph times being identical, the launch on the GT does not look any better or worse than the SS.

The '11-14 GT (compared to '15+) were also lighter which was a big driver to the better acceleration #s.

[bballr4567]

Originally Posted by WhyUMad1LE

They seem impressed but not in love with it. IMO their favorite cars were M2, GT4, and GT350R.

The Grand Sport tested was manual

Did we read the same quote???

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

That's is the result of poor tires that Ford selected. The mustang is extremely difficult to 60', hence the poor times. The MPH tells the tale of what the vehicle is capable of, and 112mph is an easy mid 12 second vehicle.

11-14's are only quicker because they are easier to launch. From a (gasp) roll, they are very evenly matched.

If you look at the GT stock fast list, only 2 cars got over 112mph and they were the two that got 12.5*, after that, nobody's close. So those low times and 112 trap are very rare. In fact those top times and speeds would be 24th on the stock SS list. So there not even close.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by vtirocz

Below are the acceleration results from MotorTrend comparing the '16 SS (data on left) to '16 GT PP (data on right). Based on 0-30mph times being identical, the launch on the GT does not look any better or worse than the SS.

The '11-14 GT (compared to '15+) were also lighter which was a big driver to the better acceleration #s.

Trap speeds tell the tale. S550 trap very similar to the s197s, and as such should be just as capable. They are just more difficult to launch.

Show anyone a timeslip with a 2.x + 60' trapping 110-112 mph what the car "should" be capable of with good track prep and a good driver and they'll tell you an easy mid 12's.

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

If you look at the GT stock fast list, only 2 cars got over 112mph and they were the two that got 12.5*, after that, nobody's close. So those low times and 112 trap are very rare. In fact those top times and speeds would be 24th on the stock SS list. So there not even close.

They are difficult to launch and have crap tires, that's exactly my point.

[Cuda7050]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Trap speeds tell the tale. S550 trap very similar to the s197s, and as such should be just as capable. They are just more difficult to launch.

Show anyone a timeslip with a 2.x + 60' trapping 110-112 mph what the car "should" be capable of with good track prep and a good driver and they'll tell you an easy mid 12's.



They are difficult to launch and have crap tires, that's exactly my point.

What your seeing is a S550 chassis that simply doesn't put the power down very well, pretty much like the gen5 Camaro.

We used to race two '69 Camaro's in Super Stock. You could swap the motor and trans from one car to the other and consistently pick up two tenths in the quarter mile. The only difference was the faster car had better suspension and weight distribution (same total weight and tires).

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Trap speeds tell the tale. S550 trap very similar to the s197s, and as such should be just as capable. They are just more difficult to launch.

Show anyone a timeslip with a 2.x + 60' trapping 110-112 mph what the car "should" be capable of with good track prep and a good driver and they'll tell you an easy mid 12's.



They are difficult to launch and have crap tires, that's exactly my point.

So basically you're saying Ford designed a crappy chassis lol?

...also FYI, from someone who spends lots of time at the drag strip, and has over 1000 passes, that 110 mph and a 2.0 60' does not necessarily equate to mid 12's. If that was the case every S550 with a tire and control arm upgrade would be running mid 12's, and we know that is not the case.

[Fraxum]

Its a shame they did not test the standard SS and non-1LE V6. Both would have fared well. The SS should be right around the 3:00 mark and the V6 a few seconds behind the V6 1LE and still out punching more expensive cars.

Also I did not see the standard GT350. That would have been interesting against the V8 1LE package.

[BradfordCamaro]

The GT350 was tested but they only took the top 16......

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by BradfordCamaro

The GT350 was tested but they only took the top 16......

OIC. wow and the Z/28 Camaro is still on top! I did not get the issue yet. I always look forward to the LL test.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by BradfordCamaro

The GT350 was tested but they only took the top 16......

It was? What time did it run?

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

Its a shame they did not test the standard SS and non-1LE V6. Both would have fared well. The SS should be right around the 3:00 mark and the V6 a few seconds behind the V6 1LE and still out punching more expensive cars.

Also I did not see the standard GT350. That would have been interesting against the V8 1LE package.

I agree. I really wanted to see a base 1SS M6 lap time, although I wanted to see a SS 1LE lap time even more! I think the 1SS M6 would have run a mid 2:59.XX time (very close to the ATS-Vs tested)

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by Cuda7050

What your seeing is a S550 chassis that simply doesn't put the power down very well, pretty much like the gen5 Camaro.

We used to race two '69 Camaro's in Super Stock. You could swap the motor and trans from one car to the other and consistently pick up two tenths in the quarter mile. The only difference was the faster car had better suspension and weight distribution (same total weight and tires).

Crappy tires have a lot to do with that, however...the IRS does as well.

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

So basically you're saying Ford designed a crappy chassis lol?

...also FYI, from someone who spends lots of time at the drag strip, and has over 1000 passes, that 110 mph and a 2.0 60' does not necessarily equate to mid 12's. If that was the case every S550 with a tire and control arm upgrade would be running mid 12's, and we know that is not the case.

When the s550 upgraded to the IRS, it took on all of the negatives associated with it. The s197s solid axle was far superior with launches. The S550 has a much better overall suspension. There is nothing crappy about it. The s197 was a better dragstrip car, the s550 is better everywhere else.

Rule of thumb is, .1 reduction in the 60' equals .2 in the 1/4 mile. Running on stock tires seems to be very difficult for many to get the 60' down. Those that have, have been rewarded with high-mid 12's in the 1/4.
Every S550 with a drag radials and control arm upgrade should be running mid 12's period. If they can't, it's all on the driver.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Crappy tires have a lot to do with that, however...the IRS does as well.



When the s550 upgraded to the IRS, it took on all of the negatives associated with it. The s197s solid axle was far superior with launches. The S550 has a much better overall suspension. There is nothing crappy about it. The s197 was a better dragstrip car, the s550 is better everywhere else.

Rule of thumb is, .1 reduction in the 60' equals .2 in the 1/4 mile. Running on stock tires seems to be very difficult for many to get the 60' down. Those that have, have been rewarded with high-mid 12's in the 1/4.
Every S550 with a drag radials and control arm upgrade should be running mid 12's period. If they can't, it's all on the driver.

So how much drag racing experience do you have besides bench racing?