[BradfordCamaro]

I'll pretend I am a Mustang forum guy....
The 1LE is just better. PERIOD! End of Discussion!

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by Sidedraft

I feel like you're twisting yourself into a pretzel to avoid the reality that the 1LE is the equivalent of the PP for the GT Mustang. It's marketed the same, it slots into the lineup exactly the same. The price difference between the GT PP and the 1LE is marginal; the performance difference between the two isn't even close. I say the price difference is marginal because there are a lot more standard features on the 1LE vs. GT. The '18 MY Mustang refresh is likely to bring a lot of these features to the GT (or maybe they'll come out with another heritage model with these features and requisite "market adjustment" tacked on). The performance gap will narrow, but the price of the GT will be higher, too.

I'm not going to address the arguments about RPO codes vs. "special models". The Z/28 was an RPO code long before it was a "special model". It means nothing.

You guys keep telling yourself that the 1LE isn't meant to go head-to-head with a GTPP. The only other car in the Mustang lineup for you to compare it to is the GT350. That's making the "value" of the GT350 look worse and it's going to be real embarassing when it's time to figure out what a 6th gen Z/28 is supposed to comepte against.

Also:


Nice, tell us how you feel about a ZL1 vs. a GT350 when that comparison drops since Ford doesn't have a vehicle in its lineup to compete with it yet.

Again, you need to look at the market...not the cars. The current gen 1SS is already faster than the GTPP. It's quicker in the 1/4, quicker in the turns and stops equally. This is the GTPP's direct competition. The 1LE is not pulling any sales away from people looking at the GTPP. It's competition is 1SS/2SS and GT350 (non R) from a market standpoint. 3 years from now, this could change...but this is how it is in the current generation.

ZL1 is in a different market segment than the GT350. You are pitting a supercharged beast against an NA track car. Look to the GT500 to fill that market segment.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

To get even close to the SS 1LE content it needs to be a premium. And to be quite honest, the base Mustang interior is pretty crappy. The centerstack looks like it came out of 1990.

I far prefer the interior of the mustang. It has a far classier look compared to the camaros. I hate...hate...hate the hideous instrument cluster shade.

Quite honestly, the interior "quality" between the two are quite similar. To call one crappy would be to call the other crappy.

Looks of course are highly subjective. I think the camaros interior looks like poo poo...mostly from the IP side of things.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by 67Builder

You're not getting the fact that when someone purchases a 1LE, they are purchasing a 1SS. They aren't stealing sales from the SS, IT IS an SS.

You're stuck on the fact that the SS is faster than a GT, so the GTPP is the competition when that just isn't true. The GTPP is the up optioned GT as the 1LE is an up optioned SS. It just happens to be that the options are better up options.

The same as the 350R is an up optioned 350. It has the next level stuff to make it the halo stang. The competitor to the 350 is the Z/28. It just hasn't come out in 6gen form. But when it does, that's the halo Camaro that will be the 350 competition. If there is a Z/28.R, it will be an up optioned Z.

It's not rocket surgery.

They are stealing sales from the 1SS in regards to their marketing. The money still goes to GM, but most of these people I'd venture to say are people that would have bought the 1SS had the 1le never existed.

[bballr4567]

Originally Posted by Thor142

Anyone notice ThePills predictions on the new 1LE. Wrong on all counts......

poor pill ....

He wasn't even in the same ballpark on 1LE for anything. That's hilarious.

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Again, you need to look at the market...not the cars. The current gen 1SS is already faster than the GTPP. It's quicker in the 1/4, quicker in the turns and stops equally. This is the GTPP's direct competition. The 1LE is not pulling any sales away from people looking at the GTPP. It's competition is 1SS/2SS and GT350 (non R) from a market standpoint. 3 years from now, this could change...but this is how it is in the current generation.

ZL1 is in a different market segment than the GT350. You are pitting a supercharged beast against an NA track car. Look to the GT500 to fill that market segment.

You're really reaching....... the stuff you're saying just doesn't make any sense at all. The GT350 is a different MODEL all together that the Mustang GT. The 1LE is just a bolt on performance pack. Just like the GTPP is.

But you know this.

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

They are stealing sales from the 1SS in regards to their marketing. The money still goes to GM, but most of these people I'd venture to say are people that would have bought the 1SS had the 1le never existed.

it is an SS. It's a 1SS

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by Thor142

You're really reaching....... the stuff you're saying just doesn't make any sense at all. The GT350 is a different MODEL all together that the Mustang GT. The 1LE is just a bolt on performance pack. Just like the GTPP is.

But you know this.

He does.. He drives poop, lives in/on Uranus, and is here to troll. Only one of those is true.

[67Builder]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

They are stealing sales from the 1SS in regards to their marketing. The money still goes to GM, but most of these people I'd venture to say are people that would have bought the 1SS had the 1le never existed.

They did buy a 1SS. They just bought a well optioned 1SS.

What your saying is that anyone that buys the PP is taking sales from the GT?

You're really reaching man. I'd like to buy you a beer so we could sit down and rap about this more. At least if I was drinking, it might make more sense.

[bballr4567]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

To get even close to the SS 1LE content it needs to be a premium. And to be quite honest, the base Mustang interior is pretty crappy. The centerstack looks like it came out of 1990.

Hey! I like all the buttons!

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by Thor142

You're really reaching....... the stuff you're saying just doesn't make any sense at all. The GT350 is a different MODEL all together that the Mustang GT. The 1LE is just a bolt on performance pack. Just like the GTPP is.

But you know this.

I do, but that doesn't change the market.

Originally Posted by Thor142

it is an SS. It's a 1SS

Haha, I understand. As I said, these are people who were going to purchase an SS anyways. Yes, it's an optioned SS...but it caries a different label. It doesn't change the fact that the 1le is a market niche to fill no matter what you call it.

[Sidedraft]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

The current gen 1SS is already faster than the GTPP. It's quicker in the 1/4, quicker in the turns and stops equally. This is the GTPP's direct competition.

If the 1LE isn't the direct competitor to the GTPP (because the base 1SS is already better), then what is the direct competitor to the base GT? A V6 Camaro? V6 1LE?

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

The 1LE is not pulling any sales away from people looking at the GTPP. It's competition is 1SS/2SS and GT350 (non R) from a market standpoint.

The 1LE isn't pulling sales away from a 1SS. The 1LE is a 1SS. And GM is getting the sale either way, they don't care what option box you tick. The 1LE also won't pull any sales from the GT350 -- which is limited production and Ford will sell every one they make.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

ZL1 is in a different market segment than the GT350. You are pitting a supercharged beast against an NA track car. Look to the GT500 to fill that market segment.

Yeah the ZL1 to GT350 isn't really a fair comparison because they are designed for different markets -- that's my point. You don't seem to realize that the 1LE isn't meant to be an answer to the GT350. It just happens to compare favorably because the car it's meant to compete against -- GTPP -- is completely out classed, and the car that is supposed to be a direct answer to the GT350 hasn't been released yet.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by 67Builder

They did buy a 1SS. They just bought a well optioned 1SS.

What your saying is that anyone that buys the PP is taking sales from the GT?

You're really reaching man. I'd like to buy you a beer so we could sit down and rap about this more. At least if I was drinking, it might make more sense.

Haha, sounds strange...yes. Problem is the PP was not intended to push the vehicle into a different market...the 1le was.

Beer is good...well, not cheap beer. When I drink, I begin to like the looks of the 1SS.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by Sidedraft

If the 1LE isn't the direct competitor to the GTPP (because the base 1SS is already better), then what is the direct competitor to the base GT? A V6 Camaro? V6 1LE?



The 1LE isn't pulling sales away from a 1SS. The 1LE is a 1SS. And GM is getting the sale either way, they don't care what option box you tick. The 1LE also won't pull any sales from the GT350 -- which is limited production and Ford will sell every one they make.



Yeah the ZL1 to GT350 isn't really a fair comparison because they are designed for different markets -- that's my point. You don't seem to realize that the 1LE isn't meant to be an answer to the GT350. It just happens to compare favorably because the car it's meant to compete against -- GTPP -- is completely out classed, and the car that is supposed to be a direct answer to the GT350 hasn't been released yet.

I've already said it, GM is missing the market segment where the Gen4 SS and WS6 used to fill. This is exactly where the GTPP resides. Both the GTPP and the GT compete against the 1SS/2SS. They are both far cheaper as well.

The 1le has $6500 worth of track parts. The GTPP has $3000 worth of road parts. Different market.
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