[Bhobbs]

Delphi was owned by GM when they finalized engineering on the MR shocks. My understanding is GM did the initial engineering and Delphi made it a functional system.

It's like saying Camaro isn't a GM product because Chevy did all the engineering. It's a stupid argument so Ford guys don't have to admit their suspension is based on a GM system.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Delphi was owned by GM when they finalized engineering on the MR shocks. My understanding is GM did the initial engineering and Delphi made it a functional system.

It's like saying Camaro isn't a GM product because Chevy did all the engineering. It's a stupid argument so Ford guys don't have to admit their suspension is based on a GM system.

This is a dumb argument. GM has nothing to do with the current state of Magnetorheological dampers. To say that Ford or any other manufacturer is using suspension based on a GM system is to say that GM is using suspension technology based on original Ford patents (McPherson Strut). Cadillac innovated the first electronic assist start, but no-one claims their starter is based off of a Cadillac system.

It doesn't matter where it originally came from...and all of this is getting waaaay off topic.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Nope, they are both supplier supplied components. GM doesn't engineer or manufacture them, they give Delphi their specification requirements and purchase them for their vehicles. If that's not apples to apples, I don't know what is.

But the difference is GM pioneered magnetic ride, Ford did not pioneer carbon fiber wheels...

...but, I do not consider their wheels "cheating" either. It's included on a expensive upgrade, so it's factory. Just an odd choice in my opinion, but I guess they ran out of options.

[HogsFan75]

Personally I think the GT350 R is sick. Can't afford one, but it's a bad ass car. I don't think the wheels are cheating either. That's kinda like when the mustang guys said the 1LE head to heads were unfair because of the F1 tires.

[vtirocz]

I do think the wheels on the 1LE should be 19 or even 18" - just big enough to clear the front brakes. I think that's one super inexpensive weight reduction opportunity that was missed.

Unfortunately, 18s would look tiny in the large wheel well.

Overall, I'm really impressed with the package though

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

This is a dumb argument. GM has nothing to do with the current state of Magnetorheological dampers. To say that Ford or any other manufacturer is using suspension based on a GM system is to say that GM is using suspension technology based on original Ford patents (McPherson Strut). Cadillac innovated the first electronic assist start, but no-one claims their starter is based off of a Cadillac system.

It doesn't matter where it originally came from...and all of this is getting waaaay off topic.

True, except MacPherson was working for Chevrolet when he initially designed his strut. He left and went to Ford, who patented their version two years after GM did. So, Ford is still using a GM suspension after all this time.

I don't care all that much either way. I just find it funny how Ford people try to completely ignore GM's roll in the magnetic shocks.

It would be like if GM called the 9" on the COPO Camaro a 289mm differential. It's still a 9" Ford rear end, even if GM has done additional engineering to the end result.

[doc7000]

Magnetic shocks were actually patented i believe in the 1950s (or 60s), GM has the patent for the control system of said shocks. Though they do not own the trade mark for magna ride (hence why they don't use it anymore).......

GM is a major innovator in the automotive industry though they are not the only major innovator, it really comes down to having the resources and being in a position to take risk. That is really what splits the difference between car companies that innovate and ones that do not innovate.

At the end of the day making cars isn't about innovation but about putting a set of parts together then tuning those parts to work optimally together. Ford did a really good job putting the GT350R together and tuning it for a great performance, it looks as though GM did an amazing job putting together and tuning the 2017 1LE Camaro.

I also believe that Ford did a less then great job tuning the GT350, that it was more there to get the cost down on the GT350R.

[doc7000]

Originally Posted by DrkPhx

MRC was developed by Delphi when it was still owned by GM in the late 90's. GM licensed the rights to Audi and Ferrari in the early 2000's, but Delphi still owned the patent. Delphi sold it to BWI in 2009 when they filed for bankruptcy. The 02 Cadillac STS and 03 Vette were the first GM vehicles to get the tech.

From looking at patents, neither GM, Delphi, or BWI owns the patent for magnetorheological fluid dampers. BWI owns the trademark for magnaride (trademark: a symbol, word, or words legally registered or established by use as representing a company or product) which is not the same thing as holding a patent. Chrysler owns the trademark for hemi which means only they can make an engine and name it hemi, it doesn't limit other companies from producing a hemispherical combustion chamber they just can't call it a hemi.

BWI has developed a number of products under the magnaride TM including sway bars if I remember correctly.

I do believe that GM owns the patent for control modules attached to magnetorheological shocks.

[BradfordCamaro]

This has turned into a battle of Google-Fu. He who has the best search engine wins.....

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by BradfordCamaro

This has turned into a battle of Google-Fu. He who has the best search engine wins.....

LOL....I can't keep up, my Fu is totally outmatched.

Something that I found funny designing wheels for OEMs was....they were always more concerned about form over function. We would constantly come up with EXTREMELY lightweight options, and they always...always...always rejected it because it didn't fit their styling needs. Ferrari seemed to be the most open out of all OEMs to push the envelope.

Here is my 458 design (fully forged, 5 axis machined)....



Extremely thin and tall spokes give the best performance...but GM and Ford never really cared for how they looked.

Here is a set on ebay....you can see how far I went to lighten these suckers up by milling and drilling pockets on the mounting flange....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PERFECT-Set-...VXBtn-&vxp=mtr

[Thor142]

This thread is hilarious. People arguing on behalf of two corporations that don't give a sh&# about you and just want your money. Buy the car you like, show up at a track and compare your lap times. Those are the only bragging rights that count. Seriously how far back in time are we going to go and list which corporation pioneered which tech? It's silly.

[BradfordCamaro]

Chief Whyz-bula Khan Zhan Ching of the north eastern tribe of Chumba Wumba invented a round disc attached to a stick......

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Thor142

This thread is hilarious. People arguing on behalf of two corporations that don't give a sh&# about you and just want your money. Buy the car you like, show up at a track and compare your lap times. Those are the only bragging rights that count. Seriously how far back in time are we going to go and list which corporation pioneered which tech? It's silly.

I'm just giving Mustang Poop a hard time but I am curious what their Mustang6g handle is.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I'm just giving Mustang Poop a hard time but I am curious what their Mustang6g handle is.

What is Mustang6G?