[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by HogsFan75

Below are my reasons for buying a 5th gen 1LE in February instead of a 6th gen

In my personal opinion, the front half of the car (to the B pillar) looks great. I love it. But from the B pillar back, it looks like ass and the emblem placement is laughable.

Unlike most people I also hate the ipad like gauges and expect them to look dated relatively quickly.

I also hate almost all of the wheel and tire options on these cars.

The final nail in the coffin though is that almost all the cars in my area at the time were either v6 models, or loaded 2SS cars which were almost all $50,000+ . Some were nearly $54,000

I'm not paying over 50 grand for an SS. I don't care how much "value" is in the car. It's still an SS camaro. Especially when you can buy extremely low mileage 5th gen zl1's and z28's for less.

I had a 2013 2SS 1LE prior to the new SS. The GEN 5 1LE is a great car but the price delta is not that far apart from the new SS. My 2013 1LE had a MSRP of $43k, it was a 2SS with NAV, sunroof and NPP. I paid 38.9k at the time. The 2016 2SS I bought has MRC, NPP and NAV, A8 and Mosaic Black. MSRP $47,200. Paid $41,100.

IMO, the new SS is a quantum leap improvement over the 2013 I had. Lighter, quicker, dramatically improved interior and instrumentation, better fuel economy, all the new safety tech, etc. The LT1 and A8 or rev matching M6 are a huge upgrade and the MRC is awesome for changing the suspension firmness with the touch of button. If you haven't test driven the the new SS you should try it out. I know how the 1LE feels like it is on rails but once you get in the new SS and feel the weight loss and how quick it can change directions compared to the heavier gen 5 it should put a smile on your face. The new SS felt so good to me I didn't even need to wait for the 1LE this time around.

[GossipSquirrelJelena]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

I am not saying it doesn't compete with the Ford or Dodge, however I don't think that is its only competition anymore. I haven't seen any video reviews where they put a Ford Mustang or Dodge Challenger up against the likes of a BMW M4.

Motortrend video Camaro SS vs. BMW M4

https://youtu.be/D87tO7VUs2I

Old news. Motor trend has been comparing American pony cars to M cars for years. I doubt you'll find these videos as sexy..

[HogsFan75]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

I had a 2013 2SS 1LE prior to the new SS. The GEN 5 1LE is a great car but the price delta is not that far apart from the new SS. My 2013 1LE had a MSRP of $43k, it was a 2SS with NAV, sunroof and NPP. I paid 38.9k at the time. The 2016 2SS I bought has MRC, NPP and NAV, A8 and Mosaic Black. MSRP $47,200. Paid $41,100.

IMO, the new SS is a quantum leap improvement over the 2013 I had. Lighter, quicker, dramatically improved interior and instrumentation, better fuel economy, all the new safety tech, etc. The LT1 and A8 or rev matching M6 are a huge upgrade and the MRC is awesome for changing the suspension firmness with the touch of button. If you haven't test driven the the new SS you should try it out. I know how the 1LE feels like it is on rails but once you get in the new SS and feel the weight loss and how quick it can change directions compared to the heavier gen 5 it should put a smile on your face. The new SS felt so good to me I didn't even need to wait for the 1LE this time around.

I understand what you are saying regarding performance for sure. I just couldn't get past the looks/pricing.

My 2015 2SS/RS/1LE stickered at $46,000. I bought it for just over $39,000. Almost $15,000 less than the 2SS 6th gens my dealer had at the time. That is huge. Also, I prefer the looks of the 5th gen 1LE's over the 6th gens by far.

I came close to holding out for a 17 1LE. Time will tell if I should have.

[hangover]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

I was responding to the Motortrend Car of the Year not selling well comment. Everyone keeps comparing this car only to the Mustang and Challenger but when the MotorTrend guys tested the car they didn't even bother bringing a Mustang or Challenger, they put it up against a BMW M4. If and when folks realize that this car, at least in SS trim needs to be compared to higher end sports coupes then folks will stop complaining about price and open their wallets. If GM can't move the car slightly upmarket then sales will slump.

It takes time to change the image of a car. The Camaro is evolving from a relatively low cost muscle car to a much more refined sports coupe, hence the comparison to the BMW M4. I would bet most of the SS buyers are in the 35+ age bracket now as well. The younger generation who has missed out on the muscle car era probably doesn't care so much about the V8 sounds and performance if they even care about driving at all and that is what the T4 and V6 LTs trims are supposed to target at.

Most hilarious rationalization for a sales dog I've ever read. Thanks for the laugh!

[hangover]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

I realize it is a stretch but if the car is this good and it costs 20-30k less than an M4 then who is the right buyer for this car? I always ask the question each month in these sales threads, if price is the issue then how much should the car cost? Most seem to agree it is better than a Mustang, so should it cost the same as a Mustang or a little bit more? If more, then how much more?

Sorry but the latest gen Mustang is better overall than this latest gen Camaro.

Heck 99% can't tell there even is a "6th" gen Camaro.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by hangover

Sorry but the latest gen Mustang is better overall than this latest gen Camaro.

Heck 99% can't tell there even is a "6th" gen Camaro.

Ok, what makes it better in your opinion?

[Razzaa]

Originally Posted by hangover

Sorry but the latest gen Mustang is better overall than this latest gen Camaro.



Heck 99% can't tell there even is a "6th" gen Camaro.

First, you're on the wrong forum. Second, you're entitled to your opinion but that's all it is. What isn't an opinion is the performance difference between the two cars. The Mustang lags behind the Gen 6 Camaro in all performance aspects. That is a fact.

It's always people who can't afford either car or even driven them, who are the biggest critics!!

[Richard0nee]

Originally Posted by HogsFan75

Below are my personal reasons for buying a 5th gen 1LE in February instead of a 6th gen.

In my personal opinion, the front half of the car (to the B pillar) looks great. I love it. But from the B pillar back, it looks like ass. The spoiler and tail lights are terrible and the emblem placement is laughable.

Unlike most people I also hate the ipad like gauges and expect them to look dated relatively quickly. Digital gauges have never stood the test of time.

I also hate almost all of the wheel and tire options on these cars.

The final nail in the coffin though is that almost all the cars in my area at the time were either v6 models, or loaded 2SS cars which were almost all $50,000+ . Some were nearly $54,000

I'm not paying over 50 grand for an SS. I don't care how much "value" is in the car. It's still an SS camaro. Especially when you can buy extremely low mileage 5th gen zl1's and z28's for less.

I don't want to be that guy and everyone has their own personal taste.. But... Everything GM changed to the 6th Gen you hate! LOL

Almost EVERYBODY agrees that the interior aside from the LT1 was the 2nd biggest upgrade. Heck, some even say it's more of an upgrade over the performance.

The wheels are, looks are subjective as well but it's NIGHT and DAY!!



Next to the big bad Z28

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by Richard0nee

I don't want to be that guy and everyone has their own personal taste.. But... Everything GM changed to the 6th Gen you hate! LOL

Almost EVERYBODY agrees that the interior aside from the LT1 was the 2nd biggest upgrade. Heck, some even say it's more of an upgrade over the performance.

The wheels are, looks are subjective as well but it's NIGHT and DAY!!



Next to the big bad Z28

Great comparison to pics to make your point. I mean the interior upgrade is dramatic just to the eye and that is before you even get into the tech pages, HUD with gmeters, etc. it is fantastic. Also that 2nd side by side pic next to the Z28 illustrates just how much smaller and compact the new SS really is, which is a large part of why it performs the way it does.

[Richard0nee]

Originally Posted by hangover

Sorry but the latest gen Mustang is better overall than this latest gen Camaro.

Heck 99% can't tell there even is a "6th" gen Camaro.

Bro, I like the Mustang too (Came from a Mustang family) but if you're gonna make a claim better overall, are you comparing relatively looks, ergonomics, performance?

I had two GT's and and EB.. the visibility is just slighty better in the Stang than the Camaro. Both sucks compared to a sedan. I love the big 3 and all are different in their own way.

I prefer the Camaro looks but I also like the s550.. Just like the Camaro more since it looks mean, pissted off! So how exactly is the 5.0 better??


Oh and not forget this from factory.. manual per manual

[HogsFan75]

Originally Posted by Richard0nee

I don't want to be that guy and everyone has their own personal taste.. But... Everything GM changed to the 6th Gen you hate! LOL

Almost EVERYBODY agrees that the interior aside from the LT1 was the 2nd biggest upgrade. Heck, some even say it's more of an upgrade over the performance.

The wheels are, looks are subjective as well but it's NIGHT and DAY!!



Next to the big bad Z28

Not true.

I love the interior. I just hate the digital gauges. I've been in one, played with them. Still not impressed. In 3 years they will look dated IMHO.

I also love the weight savings, and performance. The direct injection, I'm not sure about yet. The front half of the car I love.

I really don't like the wheel opitions though. Most of them look cheap, and I'm not a fan of silver wheels at all TBH, and those are on most of the 6th gens I've seen in person. The new black wheels look ok, but I prefer the 5th gen 1LE/ZL1 wheels all day. To be fair, I also hate most of the factory wheels on the 5th gens if that's any consolation.

[Richard0nee]

Originally Posted by HogsFan75

Not true.

I love the interior. I just hate the digital gauges. I've been in one, played with them. Still not impressed. In 3 years they will look dated IMHO.

I also love the weight savings, and performance. The direct injection, I'm not sure about yet. The front half of the car I love.

I really don't like the wheels though. Most of them look cheap, and I'm not a fan of silver wheels at all TBH, and those are on most of the 6th gens I've seen in person. The new black wheels look ok, but I prefer the 1LE/ZL1 wheels all day. To be fair, I also hate most of the factory wheels on the 5th gens if that's any consolation.

Oh I got ya.. yeah I got love for the 1LE as well.. But what you like/dislike is subjective so I respect that..

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by hangover

Sorry but the latest gen Mustang is better overall than this latest gen Camaro.

Heck 99% can't tell there even is a "6th" gen Camaro.

That's because the mustang owners are too far behind it to know what it is. It's hard to identify a car by the tail lights at such a far distance.

The Mustang got smoked by the BMW, and which car are saying is better? All your posts show you are a typical Ford fan boy just trying to get a rise out of people that happen to own the car that destroyed your dream horse. I'll give you some inside info for you to bring back to your butt hurt Mustang6g group. Let them know there is a new club forming 6 blocks from every car and coffee meet. It's called Tows and Stangs. It's a huge fleet of wreckers that hangout and and wait for the numerous calls to pull the Mustangs out of the ditches.

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by hangover

Most hilarious rationalization for a sales dog I've ever read. Thanks for the laugh!

Typical response from a troll that states he owns a 16 GT, but loves the Camaro, just can't afford it. If you love your mustang and it's soooo wonderful, why are you here? I'll tell you...you are trying to convince yourself that you bought the better car, but you know it's not true. You and so many others like you come on the forum to bash the Gen6 because you can't afford one. You bought a GT and didn't buy the Performance Package. If you cared so much about performance cars and stats, why not get the performance package option? Obviously, you couldn't afford it. And if you couldn't afford a PP GT, you can't afford the 1SS Camaro. So here you are with 90% of your posts in monthly sales threads trying to justify your purchase. Truly sad.