[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by Rsblueblood

Ok update, went to dealership this morning and as expected they found nothing wrong and they did say this is normal and if the humidity is up and say it's 81 then u should run the air at 75+ to balance the system or roll the windows down. They did say all thier cars do this and that's why it's normal and they are not going to do anything. They gave me three choices either live with it, move to a state that has a lower humidity, or sell the car. So I told them I'll be selling the car and filing a complaint with National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. This is really sad because I really love this car, I got some great offers today. So now it's time to think about options sell or jerry rig my brand new car. Good luck to you all.

What I don't like is when anyone says this is normal for an HVAC system to do. If that were true then I would have experienced the "condensation crop circles" so to speak on one of the other 25 cars I have owned.

The reality is that it is a defect in the HVAC duct system. When defrost is not on then no air should be vented to the windshield. It is that simple. This car blows ice cold air out the defrost vent. Just stick you hand up there when the AC is on and you will feel a nice flow of cold air. What is the point of letting any cold air escape to the defrost vent during normal AC operation? Are we trying to cool the windshield? If so, it is working and creating more condesation than 2 ice cold beers sitting in the summer sun. Let's just call it what it is, a defect. It may be normal for 2016 Camaros but it is not normal for cars as a whole.

[Software Guy]

IT IS NORMAL.

my 16 year old Trans Am does it. My wife's 2010 Prius does it.

Some turn off the AC and don't have it. The rest do. It is 100% normal and completely dependent on where you live and how long you drive.

My 3 miles every few days is not enough.

GET
OVER
IT

[Wheel Team 6]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

What I don't like is when anyone says this is normal for an HVAC system to do. If that were true then I would have experienced the "condensation crop circles" so to speak on one of the other 25 cars I have owned.

The reality is that it is a defect in the HVAC duct system. When defrost is not on then no air should be vented to the windshield. It is that simple. This car blows ice cold air out the defrost vent. Just stick you hand up there when the AC is on and you will feel a nice flow of cold air. What is the point of letting any cold air escape to the defrost vent during normal AC operation? Are we trying to cool the windshield? If so, it is working and creating more condesation than 2 ice cold beers sitting in the summer sun. Let's just call it what it is, a defect. It may be normal for 2016 Camaros but it is not normal for cars as a whole.

Exactly, 25 cars here never have I had this kind of a problem.

Originally Posted by Software Guy

IT IS NORMAL.

my 16 year old Trans Am does it. My wife's 2010 Prius does it.

Some turn off the AC and don't have it. The rest do. It is 100% normal and completely dependent on where you live and how long you drive.

My 3 miles every few days is not enough.

GET
OVER
IT

I've never had any of the many cars I've owned do this and I've always lived in a humid state. I call bs.

When you have a crash in a car because of a safety hazard I'll be the first to say to you " GET OVER IT

[bryguycbr]

GM needs to add a line item on the window sticker under Safety & Security stating:

Excessive fogging on windshield will be present while running A/C, this condition is normal and is a characteristic of this car.

[sub_ETCS_ret]

I must be from another school of thought. If I like something then I will find a way to make it work.

Cover the defrost vents and stop whining. This will solve your issue. All of you do crazy ass upgrades on your cars but won't spend $10 to fix your issue. This thread has been going on for days and what have you accomplished, nothing.

Sell the car or fix it.

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[bryguycbr]

Somebody should try this:

I went to Hobby Lobby and looked at all the stuff they have, trying to build something on the fly. Get some heavy stock paper, they have various sizes and colors, choose a color close to dash color, find some double stick tape, they have various types. Cut a template of the vent using scrape paper, to get size, cover the red security light also. The vent has a small boarder around the whole vent assy. Use double stick tape around edge of cut paper, cut hole for security light, double stick around edge. The double stick tape should be tacky enough to seal edge and stop cold air from drifting onto windshield. My vent doesn't feel like a high force of cold air, but some cold air does exit. I haven't cut, built, this yet, but in theory, it might work.

Maybee Chevrolet Customer Service lurking around on this forum will see this, and have GM design engineers, build something like this for a fix/repair.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by sub_ETCS_ret

I must be from another school of thought. If I like something then I will find a way to make it work.

Cover the defrost vents and stop whining. This will solve your issue. All of you do crazy ass upgrades on your cars but won't spend $10 to fix your issue. This thread has been going on for days and what have you accomplished, nothing.

Sell the car or fix it.

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Of course it is easy to fix by throwing something over the top of the vent but why not bring it is up as an area of improvement. If the design and engineering team can build such a great performing car then they can take the time to make sure the HVAC system is designed properly. This is one of the things GM needs to do if they want to continue to take this car upmarket and charge 45-50k. when folks spend in this price range they expect quality and attention to detail.

[Wheel Team 6]

Originally Posted by bryguycbr

Somebody should try this:

I went to Hobby Lobby and looked at all the stuff they have, trying to build something on the fly. Get some heavy stock paper, they have various sizes and colors, choose a color close to dash color, find some double stick tape, they have various types. Cut a template of the vent using scrape paper, to get size, cover the red security light also. The vent has a small boarder around the whole vent assy. Use double stick tape around edge of cut paper, cut hole for security light, double stick around edge. The double stick tape should be tacky enough to seal edge and stop cold air from drifting onto windshield. My vent doesn't feel like a high force of cold air, but some cold air does exit. I haven't cut, built, this yet, but in theory, it might work.

Maybee Chevrolet Customer Service lurking around on this forum will see this, and have GM design engineers, build something like this for a fix/repair.

Good idea. Hopefully it will work. Thank you for offering something constructive to this thread besides a sarcastic comment like some do.

I ordered my car exactly like I wanted it with npp exhaust, 6 piston brakes, mrc, etc. so that I wouldn't have to mod it. Not everyone wants a racekar. So I guess spending 52k makes me a cheap ass. Also, being that I don't feel that I should have to stop by the dollar store for some bubble gum wrappers and ducktape to rig my car channeling my inner macgyver doesn't make me non dedicated. I love the car and if I didn't I wouldn't hesitate to get rid of it. It is plenty fast, great handling, solid braking, looks beautiful and that's what made me buy it. But everyone has their limits when it comes to something that is such a horrible flaw. Why should we have to just toss 10 grand down the drain in depreciation because of this either??? If some people want to accept poor quality then so be it but not everyone is settler.

I'm done with this thread along with the sarcastic comments and insinuations. If anyone that is experiencing this issue like I am has any questions about this dead end street feel free to pm me. Maybe I can save you the trouble of multiple trips to the stealerships and dealing with GM.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by Software Guy

IT IS NORMAL.

my 16 year old Trans Am does it. My wife's 2010 Prius does it.

Some turn off the AC and don't have it. The rest do. It is 100% normal and completely dependent on where you live and how long you drive.

My 3 miles every few days is not enough.

GET
OVER
IT

I will agree it is normal to create condensation when you blow cold air on a warm windshield... It is not normal for auto HVAC system to do this. Do you think the design engineers for the HVAC system said, hey let's lets leak a bunch of cold air out the defrost vent when the driver selects to send the air to the dash vents or floor vent. There is no reason to do this. The duct is suppose to divert all the air to the other vents when not in defrost mode and it does a poor job. I have accepted it but that doesn't make it right and forums like this should be used to help bring issues up and help improve the car.

[sub_ETCS_ret]

Originally Posted by Wheel Team 6

Good idea. Hopefully it will work. Thank you for offering something constructive to this thread besides a sarcastic comment like some do.

I ordered my car exactly like I wanted it with npp exhaust, 6 piston brakes, mrc, etc. so that I wouldn't have to mod it. Not everyone wants a racekar. So I guess spending 52k makes me a cheap ass. Also, being that I don't feel that I should have to stop by the dollar store for some bubble gum wrappers and ducktape to rig my car channeling my inner macgyver doesn't make me non dedicated. I love the car and if I didn't I wouldn't hesitate to get rid of it. It is plenty fast, great handling, solid braking, looks beautiful and that's what made me buy it. But everyone has their limits when it comes to something that is such a horrible flaw. Why should we have to just toss 10 grand down the drain in depreciation because of this either??? If some people want to accept poor quality then so be it but not everyone is settler.

I'm done with this thread along with the sarcastic comments and insinuations. If anyone that is experiencing this issue like I am has any questions about this dead end street feel free to pm me. Maybe I can save you the trouble of multiple trips to the stealerships and dealing with GM.

I said before that I don't disagree that it's an issue. You made your point and some agree and some don't. At this point you are now whining.

Be creative and make your car safe. Your own safety is in your hands. I don't care if you use bubble gum wrappers and duct tape or if you cut some plexiglass, do something.

If you really want to make a point with GM, start a poll on here. Find out how many people are having the issue and report it. Numbers talk, whining doesn't.

Again, the safety of you and your family fully lies in your hands at this point.

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[Wheel Team 6]

Originally Posted by sub_ETCS_ret

I said before that I don't disagree that it's an issue. You made your point and some agree and some don't. At this point you are now whining.

Be creative and make your car safe. Your safety is in your own hands at this point. I don't care if you use bubble gum wrappers and duct tape or if you cut some plexiglass, do something.

If you really want to make a point with GM, start a poll on here. Find out how many people are having the issue and report it. Numbers talk, whining doesn't.

Again, the safety of you and your family fully lies in your hands at this point.

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I made my point with GM. Their forum quality watchers have reached out after seeing the problems posted and even opened a case file. Case is closed. Gm says there isn't anything they can do and have placed it back in the dealer's lap who has done their best to alleviate the problem. I'm not alone on this issue. If there is something to modify the dash to not pour cold air onto the windshield GM needs to do that not the consumer to have to go to a craft store to try to rig something up to fix a billion dollar companies mistakes. My car is stock and I'm not modifying anything on it including the dash. When a vehicle is unsafe GM needs to address it. I guess your advice to start a poll would be a good idea but I choose to not do it because it will just bring out more opinionated people who like to downplay others issues and call them names.

[sub_ETCS_ret]

Originally Posted by Wheel Team 6

I made my point with GM. Their forum quality watchers have reached out after seeing the problems posted and even opened a case file. Case is closed. Gm says there isn't anything they can do and have placed it back in the dealer's lap who has done their best to alleviate the problem. I'm not alone on this issue. If there is something to modify the dash to not pour cold air onto the windshield GM needs to do that not the consumer to have to go to a craft store to try to rig something up to fix a billion dollar companies mistakes. My car is stock and I'm not modifying anything on it including the dash. When a vehicle is unsafe GM needs to address it. I guess your advice to start a poll would be a good idea but I choose to not do it because it will just bring out more opinionated people who like to downplay others issues and call them names.

Again, as it sits right now, your safety is in your hands. You are the only one at this moment that can keep you safe. If you choose to be stubborn over your own safety then that's on you. Based on your responses maybe you shouldn't be driving. At this point not only are you risking your own safety, you are putting others at risk as well. Think about it.

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[Ajrothm]

Yeah I didn't buy a $45k car, to have to throw some BS up on the dash to block vents to prevent fogging.... This is about the simplest thing GM could have designed and/or corrected.

This is NOT normal, and it is NOT safe.

It's ridiculous to have to run your windshield wipers on a hot sunny day... Or turn your AC to 75* inside on a 100* day...

Granted there is nothing the dealers can do...it's a design problem, plain and simple. This is one aspect of the 6G that GM dropped the ball on. Unfortunately, it will take some deadly accidents and law suits to make them do something about it.

[classicrockr]

Originally Posted by sub_ETCS_ret

I must be from another school of thought. If I like something then I will find a way to make it work.

Cover the defrost vents and stop whining. This will solve your issue. All of you do crazy ass upgrades on your cars but won't spend $10 to fix your issue. This thread has been going on for days and what have you accomplished, nothing.

Sell the car or fix it.

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Well, Senior Chief, "covering the defrost vents" sounds just plain stupid. And what did you buy to cover your vents with that cost $10? Please DO enlighten us! How does it look on the vents - does it match the interior?

I'm still Navy after 26 years....I understand your "school of thought", but having to cover & uncover the vents....just isn't an option. This is the first car I've ever had that does this & GM needs to fix it.