[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by oldman

This sounds correct, I don't have my SCT working to try the canned tuned or vendor tweaked tuned.


I have to say I'm mighty impressed with the DTP results and if I have to do the exact same bolt-ons and use their tune as a base, that is the way to go. I'm on the fence right now as my SCT is NOT working.

Let us know if we can be of assistance.

Ted.

[exxit]

It doesn't seem like DiabloSport is done with their tune on the 2016 SS just yet, but they're the only ones that boast "no flash counter" tunes for these cars... Do with that what you will. I know OP said he wants to go SC, but figured I'd throw these 2 cents in.

[cellsafemode]

Trifecta says the same thing.. but there are also posts on forums regarding 5th gen camaro's and other cars that suggest that trifecta locks the ECU to then only accept Trifecta tunes even if you revert back to "stock" prior to switching and you then have to take it to a dealer to have the ECU fully reset.

I'm all for a company like trifecta wanting to protect their work but keeping it locked even after reverting ... bad news there. I'd reach out to any of these companies first and ask them about that before putting any money down.

[exxit]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Trifecta says the same thing.. but there are also posts on forums regarding 5th gen camaro's and other cars that suggest that trifecta locks the ECU to then only accept Trifecta tunes even if you revert back to "stock" prior to switching and you then have to take it to a dealer to have the ECU fully reset.

I'm all for a company like trifecta wanting to protect their work but keeping it locked even after reverting ... bad news there. I'd reach out to any of these companies first and ask them about that before putting any money down.

You have to take it to a Chevy dealer, or Trifecta dealer? That's a little silly... I understand locking the tuner, but why create a "ghost" tune if it leaves some sort of footprint. Beats me.

[Tr6]

Originally Posted by exxit

It doesn't seem like DiabloSport is done with their tune on the 2016 SS just yet, but they're the only ones that boast "no flash counter" tunes for these cars... Do with that what you will. I know OP said he wants to go SC, but figured I'd throw these 2 cents in.

Diablo is still working on finishing their A8 tuning to release their software/canned tunes in order for mail in tunes to work as they gotta update the handhelds. M6 is done but won't release it till A8 is done, sadly. I was going SC but decided to save the money and get me a second camaro, the ZL1 instead. 2018 model for a peace of mind (upgraded suspension/internals etc) and 100% warranty. I am waiting on diablo to release theirs and a couple other companies to release their parts so I can get tuned by *******.

[oldman]

guy you make me green with jelly...

[exxit]

So intake, tune, headers, nitrous before the ZL1? :P If you build a solid setup with all the proper safeguards, its a fun alternative to have in your arsenal, for when the blown stang kiddies try to get a jump on u haha

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by exxit

You have to take it to a Chevy dealer, or Trifecta dealer? That's a little silly... I understand locking the tuner, but why create a "ghost" tune if it leaves some sort of footprint. Beats me.

you have to take it to a GM dealer.

Trifecta doesn't backup your ECM/TCM. Rather it ships with it's own "stock" copy and as such they "protect" it the same as their tuned version.

There is no other way it seems to "unlock" and revert to true stock. To the dealer you go...and have fun explaining that.

[TRIFECTA]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

you have to take it to a GM dealer.

Trifecta doesn't backup your ECM/TCM. Rather it ships with it's own "stock" copy and as such they "protect" it the same as their tuned version.

There is no other way it seems to "unlock" and revert to true stock. To the dealer you go...and have fun explaining that.

There seems to be a misunderstanding here.

TRIFECTA calibrations are locked to protect our IP in the same way other tuning suites allow locking. That's to say if you bring the vehicle to the dealership with a locked flash in it, the dealership won't be able to flash it, either.

However, when you revert to stock (factory) programming using TRIFECTA's flash tool, the ECM becomes unlocked also, allowing any other tool to access it (including the dealership tool).

[Evil-Bee-NH]

So what ECM are these cars using respectively? V8, V6 & I4 i'm curious did they stick with Delphi or revert back to bosch?

[Evil-Bee-NH]

Originally Posted by TRIFECTA

There seems to be a misunderstanding here.

TRIFECTA calibrations are locked to protect our IP in the same way other tuning suites allow locking. That's to say if you bring the vehicle to the dealership with a locked flash in it, the dealership won't be able to flash it, either.

However, when you revert to stock (factory) programming using TRIFECTA's flash tool, the ECM becomes unlocked also, allowing any other tool to access it (including the dealership tool).

Fix those issues and you may get your following back until then your selling snake oil to informed people.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...47#post9190247

[TRIFECTA]

Originally Posted by Evil-Bee-NH

Fix those issues and you may get your following back until then your selling snake oil to informed people.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...47#post9190247

Thanks for the reply. I guess there's still a misunderstanding: there are no issues.

Any claim from someone stating that the 'stock' calibration we provide you is 'locked' or 'ours' in any way is incorrect. That has never been the case. People that have had issues with the ECM being inaccessible probably still has the TRIFECTA calibration, the custom calibration, installed and did not flash back to stock as you are supposed to.

As for the Custom calibration being locked, that's not a 'problem' or 'issue'. That is simply us protecting our IP, as stated previously.

The stock calibration that is included with all TRIFECTA products, no matter the platform, is GM's own current 100% factory calibration that was originally equipped on your vehicle. If you flash back to stock, the vehicle will be just that: factory stock like when it was new, with the ability to tune it then with whatever product you want.

[Evil-Bee-NH]

Originally Posted by TRIFECTA

Thanks for the reply. I guess there's still a misunderstanding: there are no issues.

Any claim from someone stating that the 'stock' calibration we provide you is 'locked' or 'ours' in any way is incorrect. That has never been the case. People that have had issues with the ECM being inaccessible probably still has the TRIFECTA calibration, the custom calibration, installed and did not flash back to stock as you are supposed to.

As for the Custom calibration being locked, that's not a 'problem' or 'issue'. That is simply us protecting our IP, as stated previously.

The stock calibration that is included with all TRIFECTA products, no matter the platform, is GM's own current 100% factory calibration that was originally equipped on your vehicle. If you flash back to stock, the vehicle will be just that: factory stock like when it was new, with the ability to tune it then with whatever product you want.

You do realize half the 5th Gen crowd has jumped ship on you guys because of the service not the issues. You guys were great when the 5th Gen was released then you all but disappeared for 85% of the 5th Gen owners with your tune and they either got stuck going somewhere else or had continuous issues until it was put back to stock. It's not your work i'm harping on it's your lack of commitment how do we know your not going to do the same thing a year or two down the road to everyone with a 6th Gen. You said you have better staffing but you still haven't actively tried to repair your image with the 5th Gen owners who liked to use you but were left with nothing.

[cellsafemode]

Can't speak to the 5th gen people but I've been running the trifecta tune for almost a couple months now. The entire process was pretty quick in getting the cable and the tune to flash. Instructions straight forward . Tune has so far worked as advertising.

I have a completely stock v6 setup still. My best 0-60 on the 20" rs tires is 5.6 seconds but that's using the in-dash timer so it was from idle. Not expecting much performance increase but the most noticeable and beneficial change was the fixing of the throttle deadzone when initially pressing the accelerator from a stop.

Very pleased with it and the service that I experienced so far.