[WhyUMad1LE]

I doubt 1LE will be a big seller. Especially this generation where the base SS is already a good handling car that is capable on the track and more than enough for the road. There are a small number of people who still buy manuals and even smaller number who go to the track.

The 1LE started as a secret option code for weekend racers and I think it's very cool that GM makes this car for us enthusiasts. Plus, resale should be good.

[aestil]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

These are some things from experience I could have done without.

- The hood wrap. Cool at first but just adds extra maintenance to keep it looking nice. Only useful if you really track and need the glare reduction. Some guys just peel it off instead of re-wrapping it.

- Alcantara on the steering wheel and shifter. Again, cool at first but then it gets dirty and matted down so quickly and just becomes another maintenance item over time. Blotting with damp rags, then fluff with the right brushes, etc.

- Goodyear F1 Supercar tires - These tires are awesome...for the track. For daily driving they are pretty rough. They are so sticky they throw rocks and pebbles up all the time. In the wet they are scary and in the cold they are even scarier because they can crack. Also, you will be lucky to get 10-12k miles out of them. Always get some heat in them before you put your foot in it since when cold it is like you are on ice. A lot of Gen 5 1LE owners would swap them out for the Michelins PSS when the time came. You give up some track performance but get much better mileage and a better ride for daily driving.

Anyway, looking forward to the new GEN6 1LE and hearing members impressions of the car.

I'm with you on all the above except that my understanding is the that the PSS are actually the superior tire even for track performance. Perhaps I am wrong.

[possibly_burrito]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

A typical John Doe who is looking for a good handling sports car isn't likely to even think twice about a Camaro, unless he has done a little research on the car. It might take the entire life span of this 6th gen to really change the stereotype of the Camaro not being much of a handling car.

Can confirm, am typical John Doe.

A year ago, if someone would have told me that I'll be in a market for a Camaro, I would laugh in their face. Yet, here I am, waiting to give GM my money in exchange for a 1LE.

[TransAmx2]

I'm guessing the numbers will be similar % wise.

Sure you'll have those who opt for a 2SS or 1SS because it offers all the performance they will ever need but at the same time one of the big draws for me is the success and name the 5th gen 1LE made for itself. It "paved the way" for the 6th gen 1LE to improve on a great platform. I think that will help boost some sales. Being named MT Car of the year should bring some added attention to the camaro itself and help boost sales a bit. Then there is the fact that you can get a 1LE V6, If we are counting all 1LE optioned 6th gen camaros I think the V6 1LE sales might equal the SS 1LE sales, time will tell.

Plus once track numbers come out and people see the performance value of a 6th gen 1LE vs. say a GT350, I have a feeling those considering a car for actual performance will be lining up to place orders. I know if I owned a GT350 and got my ass handed to me by a car costing $20k or so less I'd be pissed and no flat plane crank exhaust tone would sooth the pain of the price difference.

I knew what a 5th gen 1LE was and never owned a 5th gen Camaro (i'm sure i'm in a minority there), saw a few on the street but never saw one stopped where i could talk to the owner, they are rare around here. But I like these "specialty cars that come from the factory with improvements I would consider making myself if I had bought a base model.

The C6 Corvette Grand Sport is another of my favorite car designs. Give me the bigger tires, Bigger Brakes, Bigger fenders, I want that track prepped car look and feel, even if i never utilize it to its full capacity I want something more than a basic 1SS or 2SS.

I would/ am still considering a 1SS as an option but I would still want/need to invest thousands in performance parts, rims, tires just to get to where I was happy with it being "special", I'm hoping the 2017 1LE will give me all that for less out of pocket cost than aftermarket and under warranty.

And when someone comes up to you and recognizes the 1LE for what it is, you know they are a true enthusiast

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by aestil

I'm with you on all the above except that my understanding is the that the PSS are actually the superior tire even for track performance. Perhaps I am wrong.

Yeah, from what read is the PSS is the better all around tire. Better wear, better wet performance, less noise, etc. The only thing I heard is when you push them on track the Goodyears tend to stay stickier longer. They also cost about $120 less per tire but they don't last as long.

[Cam 6]

Originally Posted by possibly_burrito

Can confirm, am typical John Doe.

A year ago, if someone would have told me that I'll be in a market for a Camaro, I would laugh in their face. Yet, here I am, waiting to give GM my money in exchange for a 1LE.

Me as well. I was part of the ignorant sector of the population that looked at the Camaro, even the 5th Gen, as a straight line muscle car.

The 2015 1LE caught my eye last Spring and I was mulling it over between it and a Vette, and then I stumbled across the info on the 6th Gen launch.

The more research I did on the Camaro, the more impressed I was.

The challenge for the GM marketing team is to get the word out.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

Yeah, from what read is the PSS is the better all around tire. Better wear, better wet performance, less noise, etc. The only thing I heard is when you push them on track the Goodyears tend to stay stickier longer. They also cost about $120 less per tire but they don't last as long.

Yeah, they are better as an amazing Daily Driver High Performance tire. That said, if track performance is all we are talking about there are far better options and the GY's are one of them.

As the tires coming on the new 1LE and ZL1 are a brand new design and compound made specifically for the Hipo Camaros, I think that will only be more true now. We will see, as there is no data on these GY's yet.

[pjz1082]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

I had a 2013 2SS 1LE and in the 3 years I owned in it south Florida I only saw two others on the road and rarely saw one in dealer inventory when I would take it in for oil changes.

It is a track package. I mainly bought it because I knew the great value it represented but honestly I never tracked it or planned to track it. I had one of those loaded 2SS 1LEs with NPP, NAV and even the sunroof. The big thing that caught my eye when I bought it was the how much more aggressive it looked with the black ZL1 rims and wider tires, front splitter and red brake calipers than a standard Gen5 SS. I knew for $3500 msrp the wheels alone were worth that to me.

Now that the new SS is lighter, better handling, MRC, much improved interior, etc. I didn't feel I need the 1LE this time around, so I spent the extra money on 2SS goodies.

The ride in the GEN 1LE is definitely something you need to get used to. It is not bone jarring but it does bounce you around but the benefit is that you feel very planted going down the road and when you turn in it is extremely sharp. I am curious to see how well the MRC can help with Gen6 1LE ride. It works great on the new SS but it definitely is not as sharp as the Gen5 1LE but way more than I can utilize on the street. I see how the lap times for a GEN5 1LE are about the same as a GEN6 SS with MRC. You are able to push the GEN5 1LE further to the limit in the turns since it is designed to inspire confidence there. The new SS get through the turns quick to but what it lacks on the turn it makes up for it in the straights with more power and less weight. I can see how they will be able to shave off 3 seconds with the new 1LE just keep it light and get it through the turns even faster with wider tires, stiffer springs and sways, that E-Diff tech and brake later with 6 piston calipers.

These are some things from experience I could have done without.

- The hood wrap. Cool at first but just adds extra maintenance to keep it looking nice. Only useful if you really track and need the glare reduction. Some guys just peel it off instead of re-wrapping it.

- Alcantara on the steering wheel and shifter. Again, cool at first but then it gets dirty and matted down so quickly and just becomes another maintenance item over time. Blotting with damp rags, then fluff with the right brushes, etc.

- Goodyear F1 Supercar tires - These tires are awesome...for the track. For daily driving they are pretty rough. They are so sticky they throw rocks and pebbles up all the time. In the wet they are scary and in the cold they are even scarier because they can crack. Also, you will be lucky to get 10-12k miles out of them. Always get some heat in them before you put your foot in it since when cold it is like you are on ice. A lot of Gen 5 1LE owners would swap them out for the Michelins PSS when the time came. You give up some track performance but get much better mileage and a better ride for daily driving.

Anyway, looking forward to the new GEN6 1LE and hearing members impressions of the car.

A lot of good points here that I would have never known or realized. Thanks for sharing.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by pjz1082

A lot of good points here that I would have never known or realized. Thanks for sharing.

No problem. When I bought my 1LE in 2013 I didn't realize I was one of only 1500 folks or so that bought one that year. The sold a bit more in 2014 and 2015 but the number were still low overall. The 1LE package (mainly borrowed from the ZL1) is what turned the GEN5 Camaro into a track star. Based on how good the regular Gen6 is I am expecting the 1LE to blow everyone away.

[Iroc Drew]

Originally Posted by TransAmx2

I'm guessing the numbers will be similar % wise.

Sure you'll have those who opt for a 2SS or 1SS because it offers all the performance they will ever need but at the same time one of the big draws for me is the success and name the 5th gen 1LE made for itself. It "paved the way" for the 6th gen 1LE to improve on a great platform. I think that will help boost some sales. Being named MT Car of the year should bring some added attention to the camaro itself and help boost sales a bit. Then there is the fact that you can get a 1LE V6, If we are counting all 1LE optioned 6th gen camaros I think the V6 1LE sales might equal the SS 1LE sales, time will tell.

Plus once track numbers come out and people see the performance value of a 6th gen 1LE vs. say a GT350, I have a feeling those considering a car for actual performance will be lining up to place orders. I know if I owned a GT350 and got my ass handed to me by a car costing $20 or so less I'd be pissed and no flat plane crank exhaust tone would sooth the pain of the price difference.

I knew what a 5th gen 1LE was and never owned a 5th gen Camaro (i'm sure i'm in a minority there), saw a few on the street but never saw one stopped where i could talk to the owner, they are rare around here. But I like these "specialty cars that come from the factory with improvements I would consider making myself if I had bought a base model.

The C6 Corvette Grand Sport is another of my favorite car designs. Give me the bigger tires, Bigger Brakes, Bigger fenders, I want that track prepped car look and feel, even if i never utilize it to its full capacity I want something more than a basic 1SS or 2SS.

I would/ am still considering a 1SS as an option but I would still want/need to invest thousands in performance parts, rims, tires just to get to where I was happy with it being "special", I'm hoping the 2017 1LE will give me all that for less out of pocket cost than aftermarket and under warranty.

And when someone comes up to you and recognizes the 1LE for what it is, you know they are a true enthusiast

Very well put. That is the exact reason I purchased my 2015 2SS/RS 1LE. Wanted a Bad Ass looking Camaro for the street.

[Gen6_1Le]

I would think the V6 version would double the units of the V8 version , total around 5100 units.

[JEllis]

Originally Posted by Gen5_1Le

I would think the V6 version would double the units of the V8 version , total around 5100 units.

I am in for the V8 but think it would pretty cool if the V6 version had identical options to the 1SS 1LE. 335HP and a couple hundreds pounds lighter than the 1SS 1LE and the same 1SS 1LE suspension, brakes, wheels and tires, would make for a pretty awesome sports car in the low to mid 30s.

[Mud Z06]

Great points and comments everyone. Hopefully we will be cruising in our 1LE's this time next year.

[FNxR3DNECK]

Originally Posted by Mud Z06

Great points and comments everyone. Hopefully we will be cruising in our 1LE's this time next year.

Screw that! haha I want to be cruising in my 1LE before the end of the year!!!