[MRGTX]

I'm hoping it comes in under $43k but my purchase depends on how it shakes out against the Mustang Mach1...

Any idea when we're due to get more details?

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by MRGTX

I'm hoping it comes in under $43k but my purchase depends on how it shakes out against the Mustang Mach1...

Any idea when we're due to get more details?

Is the Mach 1 anything more than a rumor at this point?

[MRGTX]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

Is the Mach 1 anything more than a rumor at this point?

Frustratingly, it's still only slightly more than a rumor. A test mule had been spotted a month or so back with what looks like the exhaust from the GT350. This among other clues, people are talking that it might have a conventional-crank version of the 5.2L.

So I had been set on holding out for the Mustang refresh, regardless...but I finally got to drive a 6th gen Camaro SS over the weekend and it knocked my socks clean-off. It's was just spectacular enough to make a guy think.

An SS/1LE sounds like it might be absolutely magical...but I've had two amazing back to back ownership experiences with Mustangs. I hope to know more about this new model before I put cash down on a 1LE but there's suddenly a very good chance that Chevrolet will get my money.

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by MRGTX

Frustratingly, it's still only slightly more than a rumor. A test mule had been spotted a month or so back with what looks like the exhaust from the GT350. This among other clues, people are talking that it might have a conventional-crank version of the 5.2L.

So I had been set on holding out for the Mustang refresh, regardless...but I finally got to drive a 6th gen Camaro SS over the weekend and it knocked my socks clean-off. It's was just spectacular enough to make a guy think.

An SS/1LE sounds like it might be absolutely magical...but I've had two amazing back to back ownership experiences with Mustangs. I hope to know more about this new model before I put cash down on a 1LE but there's suddenly a very good chance that Chevrolet will get my money.

I saw that a while back on the mustang forums. I didn't want to start anything over there, but to me that test mule proves nothing aside from they might be testing a dual mode exhaust option for a standard GT. I think (for now) its a lot of excitement over very little substance.

Also I would find conventional crank 5.2L rather silly when they aready have a 5.0L

If they want to experiment, make a "Boss" with a 6.0+ displacement engine. Everyone knows they have maxed out what a 5.0L is capable of within the mustangs price bracket. They need to add size to stay competitive power wise.

[SS 1LE]

Since a Mach 1 (if it happens) can't outperform the Shelby GT350, which will not be all that better of a performer than a SS 1LE by my estimates, I wouldn't expect the Mach 1 to beat a SS 1LE, it MAY be close to a regular SS considering how badly a SS beats up on a regular GT, even if it has the PP.

[IPAbeer]

$45k OTD max. Plan B or possibly A is a used 911 997.2

[MRGTX]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

I saw that a while back on the mustang forums. I didn't want to start anything over there, but to me that test mule proves nothing aside from they might be testing a dual mode exhaust option for a standard GT. I think (for now) its a lot of excitement over very little substance.

Also I would find conventional crank 5.2L rather silly when they aready have a 5.0L

If they want to experiment, make a "Boss" with a 6.0+ displacement engine. Everyone knows they have maxed out what a 5.0L is capable of within the mustangs price bracket. They need to add size to stay competitive power wise.

Well, I would hesitate to underestimate the quad cam Coyote architecture...while the smaller displacement is probably a bottleneck at some point, they have yet to resort to direct injection. There's absolutely some performance left on the table with that motor yet.

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

Since a Mach 1 (if it happens) can't outperform the Shelby GT350, which will not be all that better of a performer than a SS 1LE by my estimates, I wouldn't expect the Mach 1 to beat a SS 1LE, it MAY be close to a regular SS considering how badly a SS beats up on a regular GT, even if it has the PP.

A fair point but keep in mind that this is our classic "Camaro can't outshine the Corvette" logic. Ford isn't as predictable. They seem to be willing to let a cheaper model have some of the sunlight. The Boss 302 LS got way more attention and praise than the 662hp GT500 and it was significantly more capable around a road course.

I'm thinking that the 6th gen Camaro owns this generation of pony car wars...but I have no brand loyalty. I love them all and I'll buy the best one.

[Bhobbs]

They don't have to limit the Mach 1 if the GT350 goes away. There's nothing to keep Ford from having the GT350 be limited to 2 or 3 model years and then use the 5.2 block and heads with a cross plane crank for the Mach 1.

[Mud Z06]

Originally Posted by IPAbeer

$45k OTD max. Plan B or possibly A is a used 911 997.2

Same. I have a mental block at paying more than 45k for a new Camaro of any trim level.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

They don't have to limit the Mach 1 if the GT350 goes away. There's nothing to keep Ford from having the GT350 be limited to 2 or 3 model years and then use the 5.2 block and heads with a cross plane crank for the Mach 1.

That's what I'm hoping to see. Mag ride, 5.2L, and less restricted and not such a pain in the ass to get.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by Mud Z06

Same. I have a mental block at paying more than 45k for a new Camaro of any trim level.

Funny, I feel the same way. I guess it is because I grew up as a kid owning these Camaros, Firebirds and Trans-Ams for pretty cheap. I know they have come along way but it still feels weird to say Camaro and $40-50k in the same sentence.

[JEllis]

$45K is a good number. After that, you are too close to $50K and a lot of other options.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by JEllis

$45K is a good number. After that, you are too close to $50K and a lot of other options.

Yeah, I think GM knows that too. I paid $41k but if I got close to $50k I probably would have bit the bullet and found the money for a Stingray at that point.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

Yeah, I think GM knows that too. I paid $41k but if I got close to $50k I probably would have bit the bullet and found the money for a Stingray at that point.

You seem to get so much less content in a Stingray, though, for the money....

I've had the same thought as you in the past...and every time I price out a Stingray to be close to how I want my Camaro...I'm at least $10k over what I'd pay for the Camaro

Do you find the same?