[ender2664]

Originally Posted by HogsFan75

I understand that, but my point is that the new Camaro 2.0 turbo gives you nothing that isn't already available in the WRX and actually gives you less. Furthermore the WRX can be bought for less as well. So I don't understand why someone would pick the Camaro 2.0 over the new WRX 2.0, unless it strictly came down to a preference on looks or brand loyalty. The Camaro 2.0 just makes no sense to me.

I'm just a guy with my own opinion though. Sales may be through the roof for all I know.

I am not trying to advocate the 2.0 but it offers plenty the wrx doesnt!
When I had my 2002 v6 my buddy had a moded sti.even if they were the same price i would have still bought a camaro.

[ender2664]

Originally Posted by Whitespeed

The issue that I see with the 2.0 Camaro is that it will be much more likely to be considered as a daily driver. From that perspective, the small trunk, limited back seat and questionable outward visibility are going to have greater weight when comparing this car to the competition. As an enthusiast shopping the V8 SS and wanting the greatest performance bang for the buck, these issues are insignificant. But to someone who just wants a stylish car that they can still take co-workers to lunch in or bring their bike to the park, and has a panic attack every time they put any car into reverse, it's a much harder sell.

Nigel

Great points

[ISHLISS]

Im still leaning towards 2.0T just for the sake of modding. V6s guys might be faster stock, but they are pretty well limited to minor bolt ons.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Whitespeed

The issue that I see with the 2.0 Camaro is that it will be much more likely to be considered as a daily driver. From that perspective, the small trunk, limited back seat and questionable outward visibility are going to have greater weight when comparing this car to the competition. As an enthusiast shopping the V8 SS and wanting the greatest performance bang for the buck, these issues are insignificant. But to someone who just wants a stylish car that they can still take co-workers to lunch in or bring their bike to the park, and has a panic attack every time they put any car into reverse, it's a much harder sell.

Nigel

You aren't really getting coworkers in the back of 6th, 5th, or 4th gen in either a Mustang or Camaro without them complaining. Not unless they are 5' tall and built like a runway model. Now the trunk is a concern due to it's opening. But realistically if you are unable to really haul 4 adults...chances are you aren't going to max out the space with the seats down either. I'd also argue that visibility in many SUVs is worse but the reality is few Americans bother even paying attention in cars with good visibility.

[ender2664]

Originally Posted by ISHLISS

Im still leaning towards 2.0T just for the sake of modding. V6s guys might be faster stock, but they are pretty well limited to minor bolt ons.

Put a turbo on a v6

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by ender2664

Put a turbo on a v6

That's going to be an expensive proposition..well into the $7,000+ range due to the changes to the V6 and complications of turbo piping...and you'd still likely be down on power compared to a turbo 4 with the same $7,000 budget.

[nbryant]

Originally Posted by MovieGuy

Agreed. The only opinion of your car that matters is yours.

...and I'm in love!

[ender2664]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

That's going to be an expensive proposition..well into the $7,000+ range due to the changes to the V6 and complications of turbo piping...and you'd still likely be down on power compared to a turbo 4 with the same $7,000 budget.

A custom kit running low boost could be made for under 2 grand easy.

[Hypertrophy]

Originally Posted by ISHLISS

Im still leaning towards 2.0T just for the sake of modding. V6s guys might be faster stock, but they are pretty well limited to minor bolt ons.

Originally Posted by ender2664

A custom kit running low boost could be made for under 2 grand easy.

I guess I'm not following the logic of intentionally getting a 2.0T just to mod it. Isn't the point of modding to build big power? If that's the objective, just get a V8.

Of course I can understand if someone just likes to "tweak" their stuff to make it better.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by ender2664

A custom kit running low boost could be made for under 2 grand easy.

The LGX uses an integrated exhaust manifold I believe. You will not find a cheap low boost kit for it for that reason alone.

Originally Posted by Hypertrophy

I guess I'm not following the logic of intentionally getting a 2.0T just to mod it. Isn't the point of modding to build big power? If that's the objective, just get a V8.

Of course I can understand if someone just likes to "tweak" their stuff to make it better.

Well the general logic is you can make a big percentage jump in power on these turbo motors with a tune, intake, and down pipe. Usually coming in cheaper than doing than making the same boost in power on a V8 without tearing into the motor. So it's not that what you said isn't true....just less work to do on a turbo for those initial gains. After that though...all bets are off.

[jimmypop13]

I had a 2009 HHR SS with the LNF 2.0 turbo and a 5-speed manual for seven years and it was an absolute blast. One of my favorite cars ever. It was quick, handled well, and had massive amounts of room. All I did to it was a cutout in front of the muffler to make it a hair louder(the turbo still muffles quite a bit) and tuned it with HP Tuners. It really opened the engine up. I was really hoping the new camaro with the improved turbo 2.0 would be even more fun, only without all the space of the hhr ss. Sounds like something is missing though if we are to believe car and driver

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

The LGX uses an integrated exhaust manifold I believe. You will not find a cheap low boost kit for it for that reason alone.

Correct, I believe the V6 uses a manifold-in-head design..not even molded onto the head like the last gens.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by jimmypop13

I had a 2009 HHR SS with the LNF 2.0 turbo and a 5-speed manual for seven years and it was an absolute blast. One of my favorite cars ever. It was quick, handled well, and had massive amounts of room. All I did to it was a cutout in front of the muffler to make it a hair louder(the turbo still muffles quite a bit) and tuned it with HP Tuners. It really opened the engine up. I was really hoping the new camaro with the improved turbo 2.0 would be even more fun, only without all the space of the hhr ss. Sounds like something is missing though if we are to believe car and driver

Well..the great news is that you can always drive one and see for yourself! The 2.0T is supposed to be the volume car, it'll be plenty available to drive.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

You aren't really getting coworkers in the back of 6th, 5th, or 4th gen in either a Mustang or Camaro without them complaining. Not unless they are 5' tall and built like a runway model. Now the trunk is a concern due to it's opening. But realistically if you are unable to really haul 4 adults...chances are you aren't going to max out the space with the seats down either. I'd also argue that visibility in many SUVs is worse but the reality is few Americans bother even paying attention in cars with good visibility.

Actually you could get 4 grown adults in a Gen5 for a quick trip to dinner. I wouldn't try it for a long trip mind you, but I've had 4 full grown adults in a Gen5 many times.

And please don't try to suggest the visibility of an SUV is bad compared to a Gen5 or Gen6. It's simply not the case.