Car and Driver 2.0T review - Page 2

Lukemo · 06-08-2016, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LesBaer

I think they're right. Hell, I wouldn't tell anyone I was even considering a V6 Camaro let alone a 4 cylinder...it's worse than a rental car LOL

So, you've just insulted nearly half of the people on this forum.

LesBaer · 06-08-2016, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lukemo

So, you've just insulted nearly half of the people on this forum.

My apologies

Edit - Actually I never really meant to insult anyone here. There's a complete tool in my office that drives automatic V6 Mustang that refers to himself as "beastmode" on instagram and he's really gotten on my nerves lately. I blame him for this comment. He called the Camaro "cheap and plasticy" and I told him he drives the equivalent of a rental car. I never meant to insult anyone or start a V6 vs. V8, etc. battle. It's just not my thing and there's nothing wrong with it for people who's circumstance I'm not considering.

HogsFan75 · 06-08-2016, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ender2664

If you are looking for a car with good visibility, 4 doors, awd and a boxer engine you shouldn't look at a camaro as it has none of those.

I understand that, but my point is that the new Camaro 2.0 turbo gives you nothing that isn't already available in the WRX and actually gives you less. Furthermore the WRX can be bought for less as well. So I don't understand why someone would pick the Camaro 2.0 over the new WRX 2.0, unless it strictly came down to a preference on looks or brand loyalty. The Camaro 2.0 just makes no sense to me.

I'm just a guy with my own opinion though. Sales may be through the roof for all I know.

GTIanZ28 · 06-08-2016, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HogsFan75

If I was going to buy a turbo 4 I would buy a WRX. I had a 2015 WRX before my 1LE and it was a great car. It had the new boxer FA 2.0, was lighter than the Camaro and had better visibility, more interior and trunk room, all wheel drive and 4 doors.

Before the 2016 Camaro was announced I was considering a WRX. Especially with this concept:

changed my mind when they delivered this:

I was also looking at the ATS V6.

LesBaer · 06-08-2016, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HogsFan75

I understand that, but my point is that the new Camaro 2.0 turbo gives you nothing that isn't already available in the WRX and actually gives you less. Furthermore the WRX can be bought for less as well. So I don't understand why someone would pick the Camaro 2.0 over the new WRX 2.0, unless it strictly came down to a preference on looks or brand loyalty. The Camaro 2.0 just makes no sense to me.

I'm just a guy with my own opinion though. Sales may be through the roof for all I know.

Could be CAFE 2020 or the size of that particular market and their anticipated market share vs. the cost of development.

For us gear heads, it would make more sense if you could actually tune the thing so it would be faster than the V6. That's the case with the ATS at least.

KMPrenger · 06-08-2016, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RallyHT

The issue is they have a great V6 and awesome V8 to compare it to. The article was more focused on a comparison of the options within the Camaro family NOT a comparison against other cars. The 2.0T can be a 'good' option, but when compared to the two other options, it fell short for them.

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That's why its the BASE engine. They need to judge it as such. That's why the other options cost more, and if they cost more, they had damn well be better options. If the reason they said what they said about the Camaro was b/c they didn't like it as much as the other two simply b/c the performance is less....is ridiculous.

There has got to be more to it than that. Did they think the car handled like pure crap? (I can't see that). The car is as quick or quicker than a Mustang EB, and I bet they didn't rip on that car that hard.

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Originally Posted by Blue's SS

And then there's this:
http://www.motortrend.com/news/1500-...pr=18332466311

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by HogsFan75

If I was going to buy a turbo 4 I would buy a WRX. I had a 2015 WRX before my 1LE and it was a great car. It had the new boxer FA 2.0, was lighter than the Camaro and had better visibility, more interior and trunk room, all wheel drive and 4 doors.

Great car, but not even remotely the same car.

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Originally Posted by LesBaer

I think they're right. Hell, I wouldn't tell anyone I was even considering a V6 Camaro let alone a 4 cylinder...it's worse than a rental car LOL

Totally uncalled for.

HogsFan75 · 06-08-2016, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GTIanZ28

Before the 2016 Camaro was announced I was considering a WRX. Especially with this concept:

changed my mind when they delivered this:

I was also looking at the ATS V6.

Yea that was a big letdown.
I bought mine in December of 2014. Drove it for 14 months and 31,000 miles before I traded it in on my 15 1LE. Loved the car but I had modded the 2.0 as much as possible without sinking big bucks into it. I had about 320 whp and to go bigger would have required a new turbo setup and forged internals. It just made no sense. Even modded as it was it was still a tad slower than my new car is stock.

This was my 15

Lukemo · 06-08-2016, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LesBaer

My apologies

Edit - Actually I never really meant to insult anyone here. There's a complete tool in my office that drives automatic V6 Mustang that refers to himself as "beastmode" on instagram and he's really gotten on my nerves lately. I blame him for this comment. He called the Camaro "cheap and plasticy" and I told him he drives the equivalent of a rental car. I never meant to insult anyone or start a V6 vs. V8, etc. battle. It's just not my thing and there's nothing wrong with it for people who's circumstance I'm not considering.

It's cool dude.

That guy sounds like a fu(king tool, lol.

Lafourche1 · 06-08-2016, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HogsFan75

If I was going to buy a turbo 4 I would buy a WRX. I had a 2015 WRX before my 1LE and it was a great car. It had the new boxer FA 2.0, was lighter than the Camaro and had better visibility, more interior and trunk room, all wheel drive and 4 doors.

I guess your 2015 had the same issues as mine with the stock tune. Throttle hang on shifts, fall flat on face at 4800RPMs and stutter forward from there. It was an itch that I scratched, but even with a Cobb Access Port and Stage 1 there just wasn't all that much pull. 10,100 miles in 15 months and the itch is scratched.

Whitespeed · 06-08-2016, 01:59 PM

The issue that I see with the 2.0 Camaro is that it will be much more likely to be considered as a daily driver. From that perspective, the small trunk, limited back seat and questionable outward visibility are going to have greater weight when comparing this car to the competition. As an enthusiast shopping the V8 SS and wanting the greatest performance bang for the buck, these issues are insignificant. But to someone who just wants a stylish car that they can still take co-workers to lunch in or bring their bike to the park, and has a panic attack every time they put any car into reverse, it's a much harder sell.

Nigel

GTIanZ28 · 06-08-2016, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ender2664

The last sentence of the Car and Driver article is beautiful!

Mustang6g guys must having a great laugh at this one.

SpeedIsLife · 06-08-2016, 02:12 PM

I think maybe it's just a bit of comparing the hype the 2.0T was getting from people like Al O. and a few others to the reality that it's the base Camaro. Maybe people were expecting more, maybe they were totally unrealistic (I seem to recall a few people, in a whipped up frenzy, saying the 2.0T might even match the outgoing Gen 5 SS)..

I think the review was just a bit harsh..I wonder how someone would review it who was, as near as possible, completely insulated from the hype surrounding it and hadn't read any reviews about the car (SS, V6 and such)..I doubt it would be that jaded.

Emoto · 06-08-2016, 02:28 PM

No offense intended to those who like them, because this is all a subjective matter of personal taste, but Subarus are absolutely hideous. It also concerns me that lots of towns have shops that "specialize" in Subarus. Shouldn't need that, unless they have problems.

SpeedIsLife · 06-08-2016, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Emoto

No offense intended to those who like them, because this is all a subjective matter of personal taste, but Subarus are absolutely hideous. It also concerns me that lots of towns have shops that "specialize" in Subarus. Shouldn't need that, unless they have problems.

They've got a fairly unique engine design (Shared with Porsche) and AWD peculiarities often..

It makes sense to have Subaru specific shops, it's really no different than "muscle car" specific shops (IE Camaros, Mustangs and Challengers) or Euro shops (BMW, Audi, Volvo).

No one shop can really do it all

06-08-2016, 02:28 PM	#27
Emoto Sure, why not? Drives: 2016 Camaro 2SS, Jeep JKU Rubicon Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: SE Mass Posts: 1,538	No offense intended to those who like them, because this is all a subjective matter of personal taste, but Subarus are absolutely hideous. It also concerns me that lots of towns have shops that "specialize" in Subarus. Shouldn't need that, unless they have problems. __________________ This is that witty and clever statement that makes you chuckle.

06-08-2016, 01:59 PM	#24
Whitespeed Drives: 2018 1SS 1LE & 1973 Datsun 240Z Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Ontario Posts: 574	The issue that I see with the 2.0 Camaro is that it will be much more likely to be considered as a daily driver. From that perspective, the small trunk, limited back seat and questionable outward visibility are going to have greater weight when comparing this car to the competition. As an enthusiast shopping the V8 SS and wanting the greatest performance bang for the buck, these issues are insignificant. But to someone who just wants a stylish car that they can still take co-workers to lunch in or bring their bike to the park, and has a panic attack every time they put any car into reverse, it's a much harder sell. Nigel

06-08-2016, 02:12 PM	#26
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,241	I think maybe it's just a bit of comparing the hype the 2.0T was getting from people like Al O. and a few others to the reality that it's the base Camaro. Maybe people were expecting more, maybe they were totally unrealistic (I seem to recall a few people, in a whipped up frenzy, saying the 2.0T might even match the outgoing Gen 5 SS).. I think the review was just a bit harsh..I wonder how someone would review it who was, as near as possible, completely insulated from the hype surrounding it and hadn't read any reviews about the car (SS, V6 and such)..I doubt it would be that jaded.

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