[bballr4567]

Originally Posted by RenegadeXR

Really? Not according to this poll.
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=441094

50% of people had a problem substantial enough to go to the dealership. Granted this was back in February and dealerships are obligated to fix any outstanding recalls before the car is sale-able, but still.

It kind of blows my mind how people dump on this car so much in these very forums, but as soon as some of these points get mentioned to a potential buyer's thread like this one, suddenly everybody is defensive of their investment.

Lots of people went back to the dealer for problems that really don't need dealer involvement as well.

The poll will be insanely skewed anyways. 104 responses? That isn't enough of a sample size to gather meaningful evidence forums one side or the other.

[ThatRedFirebird]

Color may be gone (dark blue is 2016 only)

Car cost will be cheaper for 2016 (price goes up, and HBM color choice price goes up)

Insurance might be cheaper for you as a 2016 (a year old vs 0 years makes a difference on Progressive for me).

2017 may have options you want (50th, ZL1, 1LE, Arctic Blue color)

2017 may have better/worse reliability as stuff as fixed/new things break/new processes implemented.

I suspect true cost of 2017 will be negligibly different than 2016 unless you want HBM. I bet they bring out incentives within the next year to negative the $500 price increase.

[00 Trans Ram]

Sorry, but where does GM say that the 1LE will ONLY be available on the 1SS package? Although not an official GM site, GMAuthority.com specifically says that the 1LE will be available on BOTH the 1SS and 2SS trim levels.

2017 Camaro SS 1LE Features
Available on the V8-powered Camaro SS in both the 1SS and 2SS trim levels, the 1LE package includes:
Mechanical:
6.2L LT1 V8 rated at 455 horsepower mated to six-speed manual transmission (automatic transmission not available)
FE4 suspension system with Magnetic Ride Control, with specific tuning for the Magnetic Ride dampers, springs and stabilizer bars
Track-cooling package, with engine oil, differential and transmission coolers
Segment-exclusive electronic limited-slip differential with 3.73 ratio
Brembo brakes with new six-piston monobloc front red calipers with 1LE logo and two-piece rotors measuring 14.6 inches (370mm) in diameter. In fact, the front rotors of the 2017 Camaro SS 1LE are 7 percent larger those of the standard Camaro SS
Standard dual mode exhaust system
Exterior:
Unique, black 20-inch forged aluminum wheels
Goodyear Eagle F1 tires with a unique compound and construction developed exclusively for the Camaro for exceptional grip on the track:
285/30ZR20 in the front and
305/30ZR20 in the rear
Satin black hood, front mirrors and unique three-piece rear spoiler
Satin Graphite front splitter and rear diffuser
Interior:
Standard Recaro front seats with aggressive bolsters optimized for shifting and steering comfort
Suede steering wheel
Suede shorter-throw shifter
Available Performance Data Recorder (PDR)


Read more: http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chevr...#ixzz4AGEalcPT

[SkipNWis]

I had 4 Gen 5 cars they all had poor paint. Thin paint was the biggest complaint for me. Like they only gave it one coat. GM has never be the best in this area. I remember seeing many early 1970 Nova's with peeling paint.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by 00 Trans Ram

Sorry, but where does GM say that the 1LE will ONLY be available on the 1SS package? Although not an official GM site, GMAuthority.com specifically says that the 1LE will be available on BOTH the 1SS and 2SS trim levels.

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http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439757

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=453063

Been discussed quite a lot. I've not seen any official source saying it will be available for 2SS.

[GroundhogSS]

Here's what Chevy says. Doesn't say limited to the 1SS.

http://www.chevrolet.com/culture/art...-packages.html

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by GroundhogSS

Here's what Chevy says. Doesn't say limited to the 1SS.

http://www.chevrolet.com/culture/art...-packages.html

It's been discussed a million times in the 1LE section...Al O said himself, 1SS only...but with some 2SS items like upgraded upolstrey (Alcantara suede and leather) HUD, etc...

[SpeedIsLife]

When it comes to the 1LE..don't see the 1SS as a "low rent" interior. When you toss in the 1LE it becomes more like a 1.5SS lol.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

When it comes to the 1LE..don't see the 1SS as a "low rent" interior. When you toss in the 1LE it becomes more like a 1.5SS lol.

I'll take the Alcantara suede and leather Recaros over the 2SS seats any day.

[aestil]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

Ok. Have they announced pricing yet for the 1LE? $5k is probably a good guess but there is quite a bit of stuff being added to that could cause it to be even more. The last 1LE package was $3500 and it was a steal for what you got.

E-diff - cost $$$??
Performance Data Recorder - cost ?? Optional?
MRC - $1695
NPP - $895
6 piston front calipers - $3175
Suspension upgrades
Wheel and tires package - maybe a wash since the run flats actually cost more than the Goodyear F1 Supercar tires.
Hood wrap, suede bits, etc.

Couple things to note here.

1) The 6 piston brake upgrade on the current option list for $3175 is not the same thing as what is coming the the 1LE. The option is like you buying an aftermarket brake kit, and the dealership putting it on for you. You end up with the original parts AND the option parts. For the 1LE that will obviously not be the case so you can't use that $3175 price as a stand in for what the brakes cost on the 1LE.

2) The PDR is optional so won't be a part of the 'cost' of the 1LE option.

3) on the electronic diff, same idea as the brake upgrade. They are replacing the limited slip diff on the stock SS with a better one. No doubt this adds to the cost of the vehicle, but the increase isn't going to be that of going from no LSD to having and LSD. It will be going from 1 type of LSD to a better type of LSD.

I think I guessed the cost of the package would be between $5k and $6k.

It would be a good value at that price, but also probably represent a reasonable margin for GM.

[OldJedi]

Originally Posted by SkipNWis

What about Active REV Management? don't see that on the List ?

ALL manual transmissions six and seven speeds in Corvettes and SS Camaros have Active Rev Match.

[USRobo]

Is the Mangetic Ride Control worth the extra money? I've been looking at the options and MRC adds about $1600 to the cost.

The 1LE will be nice with the 1SS option if you don't want the HUD display, lights etc especially for racing.

Thanks,

Originally Posted by OldJedi

The 1SS-1LE will come with Recaro seats with suede inserts and the rear seats are leather.
Camaro 1SS 1LE. The below has been posted numerous times:

The 2017 Camaro SS 1LE introduces the new FE4 suspension to the Gen Six Camaro – a performance-oriented chassis system with specific tuning for the Magnetic Ride dampers, springs and stabilizer bars. Additional highlights include:
• 6.2L LT1 V-8 rated at 455 horsepower, and six-speed manual transmission (automatic transmission not available)
• Magnetic Ride Control
• Segment-exclusive electronic limited-slip differential with 3.73 ratio
• Unique forged aluminum wheels with 285/30ZR20 front tires and 305/30ZR20 rear tires
• Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires with a compound and construction developed exclusively for the Camaro – offering exceptional grip on the track
• Brembo brakes with new six-piston monobloc front red calipers – featuring the 1LE logo – and two-piece rotors. Measuring 14.6 inches (370mm) in diameter, the front rotors are 7 percent larger than Camaro SS
• Track-cooling package, with engine oil, differential and transmission coolers
• Suede steering wheel with shorter-throw shifter
• Dual mode exhaust system
• Recaro front seats with aggressive bolsters optimized for shifting and steering comfort
• Satin black hood, front mirrors and unique three-piece rear spoiler
• Satin Graphite front splitter and rear diffuser
• Available PDR video/data recording system.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by USRobo

Is the Mangetic Ride Control worth the extra money? I've been looking at the options and MRC adds about $1600 to the cost.

The 1LE will be nice with the 1SS option if you don't want the HUD display, lights etc especially for racing.

Thanks,

Are you talking about the 1LE or a SS?

1LE has HUD and MRC standard.

As for MRC being worth it, I think most agree the answer it is worth the money. But the standard SS suspension rides well enough that there are no complaints. At the same time an engineer described the non-MRC ride being in the middle of Tour/Sport on an MRC car. Track with MRC definitely feels more planted than a non-MRC car.

[OldJedi]

Originally Posted by USRobo

Is the Mangetic Ride Control worth the extra money? I've been looking at the options and MRC adds about $1600 to the cost.

I have have MRC in my ZL1 and Z51. I love it. Al O has said that MRC in 1LE and ZL1 makes the car faster. Good enough for me.