[6spdhyperblue]

imo if youre opening a new chapter in performance engines in the mustang, dont use a retro name use a new nameplate.

[SuperSound]

I'm afraid Ford will not justify another model in between the GT/PP and GT350 as long as sales remain strong as they are. Updating the Coyote to a power level to compete with the SS will not find the same justification it did last gen when the Mustang was behind in sales and power significantly.

The 3.5EB option is viable, but at the same time will not be received well as a "Mach 1" or higher than GT model. Just like the ATS-V, it may be a great performer but everyone will say how it should have a V8. Maybe in another 5 years the market would be ready to accept a "hi-po turbo 6" as a replacement for a V8.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by Nicul15

imo if youre opening a new chapter in performance engines in the mustang, dont use a retro name use a new nameplate.

Mustang has always been about maximizing use of heritage names. Mach 1 has historically provided a performance increase vs the GT but below any SVT, Shelby, etc offering in hand.

The 3.5EB while having the benefit of already existing, it also exists at a spec that's a step up from the current Coyote.

So it fits, whether enthusiasts like the idea or not. Plus it'll allows Ford to see the potential take rate of a V6EB in Mustang. Essentially seeing how the public may react to what I can only assume will be the eventual transition of the GT from a V8 to a V6TT.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

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If the 1LE is anywhere near the GT350, it will be the bargain track car for sure. I can't wait to see 1LE vs GT350 comparisons.

Exactly....and it will be.

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

I don't think you will see the SS 1LE "annihilating" the GT350...it has similar weight, and less power. Yes, it is way less cash, but I do see it being very close to a GT350. The GT350R is on another level, and even more money. I still think it's cool that we are comparing a SS with a option package to a Shelby, since the in class GT with an option package is its true competitor lol...

I don't think it will be "annihilating" the GT350 either....at least not the TP (now standard) version, but I would have bet dollars that the 1LE would have beat the former base GT350 FOR SURE, and compete very closely with, if not best in some areas the GT350TP.

A car that will perform extremely close, costing at least 12K less. I can't wait to see these comparisons.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by formoutofchaos

is it true that the 2016 GT350 are having overheating issues on the track? is that cause they didnt get the track pack? will that be resolved for 2017 you think?

Yes, the base and Tech Pack GT350 have major overheating problems at the track. Folks can't get past the warm-up laps at HPDE events. The cause seems to be the cats were placed too close to the transmission. The Track Pack adds a transmission cooler that masks the problem.

Yes, the 2017 will have all the coolers standard, but for a price increase.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by DrkPhx

I think it's a good move by simplifying the order process. I never got why they offered a bare bones base model without the track package and still called it track capable other than a reason to brag about a low msrp. Besides, I think a majority of owners opted for the track package anyway.

Nope, the statistics point to about 2/3 of the orders have been the Tech Pack and 1/3 Track Pack and Base combined. But, many of these were ordered by the dealership rather than a customer. So, the numbers may not truly reflect what the actual customers want, but what the dealership thought the customer wanted. BUT, either way, 2/3 of the GT350's out there right now (in customer's hands or sitting on the dealer lots) can't go to the track without modification. Meanwhile, Carol Shelby is rolling over in his grave...

Not to mention, there have been several (I think four documented cases so far) of the Voodoo engine failing. They get a no oil pressure light (sometimes), and the engine seizes up. Two transmissions failed also (unrelated to the engine failures).

[Mike502]

I think some of those base & tech pack cars will sit on the lots once people realize the heat issues. There are still... my Guess about 1600 of them in the pipe line. I bet some will cancell and buy a 17. So a 17 tech pack car will be $62K. MSRP about.

[KMPrenger]

I am really curious to know what the Ford camp thinks of the price jump, but surprisingly I can't find a thread on MG6 that is talking about this. I've looked in a lot of places....where is it hiding? Is this not yet official or something.

I'd have expected a fairly significant discussion about this.

[BlueSteel07]

Originally Posted by Tr6

And the funny thing is that GOOD LUCK finding one for MSRP let alone below it. Cheapest my buddy and I found was 7k above MSRP (he was looking into it and I just tried to help). Even the SS is very very close in numbers with the Gt350. Not really the R version but considering the crazy amount of price difference... Now once the 1LE is actually out, I estimate it will be annihilating the Gt350 and compete with the Gt350R and just maybe beat it. AO knows all the 1LE numbers, he even hinted that 1LE is against the 350R and not just the 350. Which is insane as the 1LE will be well below 50k, most likely around 44-45 range where as the GT350R 61.2k! And like I said, that's just MSRP and GOOD LUCK finding it @ that price.

Chevy is truly dominating all the vehicles that is going against, it is a very good time to own a Chevy haha. Ford will strike back but who knows when. Love the competition! We the customer always wins haha.

Mel Hambelton Ford sold all of theirs for MSRP. Hard to find at MSRP, but some have done it. I saw a White one with Blue stripes on Saturday. It definitely sounded good as it drove past me going in the opposite direction.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

I am really curious to know what the Ford camp thinks of the price jump, but surprisingly I can't find a thread on MG6 that is talking about this. I've looked in a lot of places....where is it hiding? Is this not yet official or something.

I'd have expected a fairly significant discussion about this.

No pricing is official. But a Ford employee said base msrp was $56,495

[BlueSteel07]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Mustang has always been about maximizing use of heritage names. Mach 1 has historically provided a performance increase vs the GT but below any SVT, Shelby, etc offering in hand.

The 3.5EB while having the benefit of already existing, it also exists at a spec that's a step up from the current Coyote.

So it fits, whether enthusiasts like the idea or not. Plus it'll allows Ford to see the potential take rate of a V6EB in Mustang. Essentially seeing how the public may react to what I can only assume will be the eventual transition of the GT from a V8 to a V6TT.

They need to bring back a terminator like car with a small FI V8. A TT V6 would be better than the 5.0 in my opinion.

[Netslave]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

I am really curious to know what the Ford camp thinks of the price jump, but surprisingly I can't find a thread on MG6 that is talking about this. I've looked in a lot of places....where is it hiding? Is this not yet official or something.

I'd have expected a fairly significant discussion about this.

We stopped by a cruise in on sunday after noon and that topic came up. The ford camp was defending the price. And the wing, because racecar I guess.

[6spdhyperblue]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Mustang has always been about maximizing use of heritage names. Mach 1 has historically provided a performance increase vs the GT but below any SVT, Shelby, etc offering in hand.

The 3.5EB while having the benefit of already existing, it also exists at a spec that's a step up from the current Coyote.

So it fits, whether enthusiasts like the idea or not. Plus it'll allows Ford to see the potential take rate of a V6EB in Mustang. Essentially seeing how the public may react to what I can only assume will be the eventual transition of the GT from a V8 to a V6TT.

they have been maximizing heritage names while staying the closest to its heritage than anyone else. they only dropped the SRA two years ago and still run a 302.

They didn't even use the SVO plate for the current ecoboost.

[Boxmonkey]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

Nice to make those IMO necessities standard, but I didn't expect a $6500 price jump. That means a base GT350 will be $56,495...with a SS 1LE expected to come in around $43K, with performance expected to be pretty close, Ford must be worried.

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/04/07/2...ates-official/

I think making the TP standard has more to do with either lower demand for base GT350 or some kind of problem without the TP. Maybe over heating as some have said. I think if they were scared of the 1LE they'd most likely drop the price of the GT350 or offer a similar package to the regular GT.

If also like to see some evidence that the 1LE will be as close in performance to the GT350TP. Similar weight, same size tires, probably similar magride suspension set up but with nearly 100 more HP and an 8K+ redline. I know GM has some really great chassis engineers but I think it may be a bit optimistic to think that they're that much better than Ford's.