[Marty McFlew]

Originally Posted by suzook

Here we go again blaming the union's. You do realize the workers in Canada are Union???? I do blame the workers, and management though. They obviously are not trained properly, along with not giving a $hit. Things need to be tightened up at that plant.

This is management issue. Somebody or something is not being managed, who is managing QC?...are they still at lunch or what? Whats Mary Berra doing? Anyone having an issue and are writing letters to GM should also be sending a certified copy the Berra. Maybe she doesn't know the issues. If not then there is a chink somewhere in management.

[MikeyCamaro]

Originally Posted by HuJass

I think maybe you're misusing the word "reliable".
The car is reliable. It starts & stops for you every time, right? It hasn't stranded you, right?

Yours has some quality issues.

You should have titled your thread, "Camaro quality not quite up to snuff".

Disagree. I don't believe reliability can be restricted to just not leaving you stranded. It means the extent to which something can be relied upon, meaning you can rely on the car to perform as designed. We rely on things like vents, heat, cooling, exhaust, and so on and when you have to take the car in to have something fixed, obviously you take it in because you can't rely on it performing as designed.

Mike

[Marty McFlew]

Originally Posted by MikeyCamaro

Disagree. I don't believe reliability can be restricted to just not leaving you stranded. It means the extent to which something can be relied upon, meaning you can rely on the car to perform as designed. We rely on things like vents, heat, cooling, exhaust, and so on and when you have to take the car in to have something fixed, obviously you take it in because you can't rely on it performing as designed.

Mike

Anything that is nagging and keeps you wasting your time going to the shop makes it a reliability issue.

[JRS]

JUST MY 2 CENTS
MY CAMARO 2SS WAS MADE ON 11/10/2015 AND NOW HAS 2000 MILES WITHOUT SO MUCH AS A PROBLEM (KNOCK ON WOOD). THE PROBLEMS I HAVE READ ABOUT ON HERE SOUND LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED BEFORE THEY LEFT THE FACTORY BECAUSE THIS IS THE SAME PLANT THAT MAKES THE ATS CADILLAC AND I'M SURE THEY WOULDN'T PUT UP WITH THIS POOR QC. EVEN THOUGH SOME TO ALOT OF THESE CARE ARE FLAWED MOST OF THESE ISSUE SHOULD BE COVERED UNDER WARRANTY WHICH IS WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED FOR.

SHORT SUMMARY
IF YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT BUY A NEW CAMARO AND IT WOULD HAVE ISSUES TALK TO YOUR DEALER AND ONCE YOU EVERYTHING IS RIGHT THE 2016 CAMARO IS A GREAT CAR AND YOU WILL NOT WANT TO GET OUT FROM BEHIND THE WHEEL.

SORRY FOR THE RAMBLE BUT THOUGHT I HAD TO WRITE IT.

[mikem2104]

holy caps

[JRS]

SORRY (sorry)

[2016SS]

The Gen5 didn't have the technology the gen 6 did so I could see it having less problems then the newer model. I live 30 minutes from where the Ontario plant was and it was exciting for Canadians to have the car built here. So the workers Likley felt more special which lead to better work.

I'm sure the bugs will work out of the Gen6 in time! I'm not worried that's what the warranty is for!

I don't dd my car like some here it will be a Sunday car so I could see the annoyance for the people who depend on it daily.

Hopefully everything works out for you just know you have a awesome car.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by RenegadeXR

I know I'm opening a can of worms by saying this, but maybe it was a mistake to bring manufacturing back state-side to Lansing. Have other cars built at this plant had as many problems? While bringing the workforce back to America sounds good on paper, the U.S. hasn't been a major manufacturing power for a while now. A lot of this has to do with labor unions and demands for higher pay. Our strength is mainly IT at this point.

When the 5th gen was being manufacturing in Ontario in its first year, it had some problems understandable for a new car, but I don't think it was quite so extreme.

Over 50% of 6th gen owners claim to have taken their car to the shop for serious issues according to some polls, although that data could be skewed on these forums.

The gen5 cars had many problems out of the gate too. I had a lemon and many had issues with starter cables, transmission tailshaft breaking, spoiler bolts falling off, spoiler rubbing deck lid paint through, halo issues, heater cores leaking, rear axles breaking, oil leaks. Should I go on? There was also loads of people with paint issues. It isn't hard to look up. Just click over to C5.

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by RenegadeXR

I know I'm opening a can of worms by saying this, but maybe it was a mistake to bring manufacturing back state-side to Lansing. Have other cars built at this plant had as many problems? While bringing the workforce back to America sounds good on paper, the U.S. hasn't been a major manufacturing power for a while now. A lot of this has to do with labor unions and demands for higher pay. Our strength is mainly IT at this point.

When the 5th gen was being manufacturing in Ontario in its first year, it had some problems understandable for a new car, but I don't think it was quite so extreme.

Over 50% of 6th gen owners claim to have taken their car to the shop for serious issues according to some polls, although that data could be skewed on these forums.

I keep a data base listing every car I've ever owned and this new Camaro is my 75th. I sometimes simply browse the list and reminisce on those cars and I must say the best cars I've owned were GM made and most were Chevys. I have owned 23 Chevys, 14 Fords, 6 Dodges, 5 BMWs, 5 GMCs and some others. 23 of them were new and of those, 14 were Chevys. Without question, the Chevys were the most reliable, trouble free cars I've ever owned.

I've only got 780 miles on the new Camaro, and I've spent time detailing it and looking hard for a flaw. I have to say there's not a single issue of any sort with it. Maybe I'm just lucky, but in my lifetime, thus far, I've been truly blessed with some of the greatest vehicles of the past 50 years and most were Chevys.

Like one other poster on this thread, I would like to see where you got the 50% figure...I don't believe it.

[RobbyRocketz]

Originally Posted by Nawambo

Hey all,

I've owned 4 Subarus, a Boss 302, and a Wrangler, and I must say within the first 3K miles the SS has the distinct honor of being the least reliable car I've owned. Subarus are bulletproof, amazing vehicles that just keep running with minimal if any issues. My first Ford was a pleasant surprise and I didn't really have any issues except some fluid leak on the track. The wrangler (though supposedly notoriously unreliable) has been great a year plus in.

Sadly, with my 2SS, I've already had it in once for some random code that was affecting the exhaust; and as of yesterday I realized the driver side vented seats stopped working and the "click" sound when signals are in use vary between audible and not.

I absolutely love the car and am driving it as much as possible and it is by far the most fun car I've ever owned and cannot wait to take it on the track, but I am, sadly, a little disappointed with these little points of nuisance.

Hope it settles down soon.

Cheers,
Nawambo

With all due respect based on the title I thought you were having mechanical issues. Usually when someone say least reliable car I've ever owned it usually has too do with not running or them being left stranded.
The first year of any new generation is riddled with bugs, its the reason I purchased a 5 year 100,000 mile extended warranty.
I expect issues.
Subaru's are very reliable until you start modding, I've owned a few.
Here's hoping the rest of your time with the Camaro is trouble free.

[bybcous]

This issues seem really minor.

[camaro1&6]

There is definitely a QC problem , I love the car but my issues have totally ruined my experience ( Missing paint on every panel, Driver seat stopped working due to part not being removed at plant , hood miss aligned don't meet up with facia). But it's fast and there are soooo many things that are absolutely perfect about the car , I've been so caught up in the bad paint on my car the I've let all the good be forgotten and I as a person have been completely miserable, I would rate my car a 6 out of 10 . The new person handling my case is making progress and hopeful they replace it soon. I just want this over, to all , I'm sorry the anxiety has been unreal

[Imp]

Originally Posted by Nawambo

And yes, all my vehicles were bought new, including several in their first year as a new model.

2013 Boss 302 was not a 1st year model on a brand new chassis. (2005)

2011 Outback 3.6R was not a 1st year model on a brand new chassis. (2010)

2006 STi was not a 1st year model on a brand new chassis. (2004)

2005 Outback XT was made in 2003, but only delayed to the US as an '05. Again... not a new chassis (was out for a year elsewhere as a 2003).

'99 2.5RS was not a new chassis either as the GC had been out since... '92 (However, it was the 1st year for the SOHC Phase II 2.5L, but that doesn't play into your quality qualms).

Before that, you may have had 'new' cars. But these above were out for at least a year and in many times MANY years.

Other than that? How ya been N? Sorry about the split.

--kC
(Yeah, 'that' kC)

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Imp

2013 Boss 302 was not a 1st year model on a brand new chassis.

2006 STi was not a 1st year model on a brand new chassis.

2005 Outback XT was made in 2003, but only delayed to the US as an '05. Again... not a new chassis (was out for a year elsewhere).

'99 2.5RS was not a new chassis either as the GC had been out since... '92 (However, it was the 1st year for the SOHC Phase II 2.5L, but that doesn't play into your quality qualms).

Before that, you may have had 'new' cars, but your last three? Nope. Not all new cars/chassis in the least.

Other than that? How ya been N? Sorry about the split.

--kC
(Yeah, 'that' kC)

My 05 Mustang GT convertible only had one small issue and it was a very early build of a new model. So, it doesn't have to be the norm for first year failures nor should we as consumers put up with it. That excuse shouldn't be accept. What's really funny is that often first year consumers pay more to get their subpar vehicles than people that wait a few years for the bugs to be worked out.