[63falcondude]

Originally Posted by MiamiBlueCamaro

WOW "30 of them". Are you a collector?

I wonder if he meant about 30 of them from every generation. Or about 30 of them, from every generation.

[SpeedIsLife]

I'm thinking he meant 30 spread across all 6 generations.

[HyperBlueX2]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS@Gen5diy

I see it this way, GM moved the build to Mi to save money or something, on top of that they had to train all new members for there build team, bad move IMO, on top of that they had to add them to a line that was making a different car and add a new car to that line, needles to say that was not as good as they hoped.

The op posted some of his problems in this thread.
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=440305

They have built World Class Cadillacs at LGR for years....

Most of the issues people are having a robotically controlled, (paint, body fitment).

Also having customers calling the plant, (thanks google and such for contact info) screaming for their cars, some cars were released before all issues were corrected to appease customers who wanted their cars yesterday....

Production startup issues.... always exist.

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

They moved to Michigan because the new Camaro rides on a variant of the Alpha platform, same as the ATS which is produced in Lansing. It only makes sense to have related cars be produced at the same factory.

But that only for there bottom line, not for the customer's sake, which in the long run if they cant fix there QC problems will affect there bottom line on the Camaro line, if that happens will they blame the customer? there was no demand for the car so we stooped sealing them, never seeing the big problem, that you cant see cars that are 3/4 painted and make money in the long run, at some point it comes back to bite you in the A**, when they where one of only 3 car makers you can get away with acting like that, but not today.


Look i am a GM guy but I feel bad, to try and promote this ca, i cant do it, i want tell any one that i love this car, but not the way there making them right now, and at this same time that the 5th gen was out we all love talking about that car, GM spend the money and fix your QC in the long run it will more then pay for its self.

[samsumon]

My car is being built next week.. Here's to having my fingers crossed I don't get half asses workmanship...

Here's hoping the car works perfect 5 years down the road too.

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Originally Posted by MrChrisLS3

Overall, it seems that GM's quality has greatly improved over the last decade, heck, all of the American's have improved, but GM in particular as they now have engineers designing cars and not bean counters. (Although, yes, they still have bean counters)

There are few machines in this world as complex as the automobile. It's amazing that these things even function at all, lol. When you make as many of these things as GM does, there are bound to be a few lemons out there, perfection is rare if not impossible. There are no mainstream manufacturers that are immune to this, it happens to all of them.

Then if you consider how many of the individual parts and systems are contracted out to outside suppliers, quality control becomes an exercise in cat herding from a logistics standpoint.

Thank you for that, But for the Camaro we went backwards on fit and finish (paint) And you know it, 2010 members made a stink on the paint under the hood, so GM fixed it by adding Clear to the pint which is what we where looking for, now its no longer there, on top of all the areas that are light on color, grate move this is in deed World Class, no where in the world do you see this, we talk to a lot of members, and some work at plants, if this happened at other place's they pull the car and order a new body ( where do you think the body in white comes from?)

Originally Posted by Hyperblue16vert

They have built World Class Cadillacs at LGR for years....

Most of the issues people are having a robotically controlled, (paint, body fitment).

Also having customers calling the plant, (thanks google and such for contact info) screaming for their cars, some cars were released before all issues were corrected to appease customers who wanted their cars yesterday....

Production startup issues.... always exist.

First thank you for trying and making the cars, with that said, This is not the customers fault, we did not make google, nor did the call the paint both at the plant, That's like blaming the customer that payed you to do a job, that you ran out of money 1/2 way true it as you went out and spent it on wine, whiskey before you order supply's, it does not fly.

If this is World Class its not good for us, we got better work before and you have big shoes to fill, spend $10 more per car for paint, that will fix a lot of it, and if you dont think we will pay i will send $500 now to get a car with the paint on it.

Did GM not use the same robotically controlled paint on there CTF cars? if so it was there cars looking this bad? to me its a fail all the way.

[Whis]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS@Gen5diy

I see it this way, GM moved the build to Mi to save money or something, on top of that they had to train all new members for there build team, bad move IMO, on top of that they had to add them to a line that was making a different car and add a new car to that line, needles to say that was not as good as they hoped.

The op posted some of his problems in this thread.
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=440305

Everyone questioning this guy needs to read this thread. What a horror story.

[doc212121]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS@Gen5diy

Thank you for that, But for the Camaro we went backwards on fit and finish (paint) And you know it, 2010 members made a stink on the paint under the hood, so GM fixed it by adding Clear to the pint which is what we where looking for, now its no longer there, on top of all the areas that are light on color, grate move this is in deed World Class, no where in the world do you see this, we talk to a lot of members, and some work at plants, if this happened at other place's they pull the car and order a new body ( where do you think the body in white comes from?)



First thank you for trying and making the cars, with that said, This is not the customers fault, we did not make google, nor did the call the paint both at the plant, That's like blaming the customer that payed you to do a job, that you ran out of money 1/2 way true it as you went out and spent it on wine, whiskey before you order supply's, it does not fly.

If this is World Class its not good for us, we got better work before and you have big shoes to fill, spend $10 more per car for paint, that will fix a lot of it, and if you dont think we will pay i will send $500 now to get a car with the paint on it.

Did GM not use the same robotically controlled paint on there CTF cars? if so it was there cars looking this bad? to me its a fail all the way.

Sounds like you belong sponsoring some other forum.......how many sixth gens have you went through for QC? Or are you biting on the threads you see here

[samsumon]

Originally Posted by Hyperblue16vert

They have built World Class Cadillacs at LGR for years....

Most of the issues people are having a robotically controlled, (paint, body fitment).

Also having customers calling the plant, (thanks google and such for contact info) screaming for their cars, some cars were released before all issues were corrected to appease customers who wanted their cars yesterday....

Production startup issues.... always exist.

So the machines make a mistake, got it.. Good excuse.


I guess that Quality Control is done by a robot as well??

Or is it not the point of having a human there to make sure FIT and PAINT and FINISH is done appropriately?


And again with the damn excuses. You're telling me a car sitting in QC for 60 days is normal? You don't think that some of the people calling the plant are those owners who see others ORDER after them and RECEIVE before them?

Sounds like GM just put the car on QC and forgot about it. Added to another list.. Or maybe GM should have a procedure that after xx days, the car is recycled and re-sold, meanwhile the owner gets a new car built.

You have nothing to go on, sorry.

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Originally Posted by doc212121

Sounds like you belong sponsoring some other forum.......how many sixth gens have you went through for QC? Or are you biting on the threads you see here

I see your hurt by the truth, we sponsor lots of thing and do more for members then you will ever know, and we call out bad workmanship where we see it, as for the 6th gens i have seen more cars with problems then we seen in the 5th gen, at this time, we have been at this forum from the start of the 5th gen, what we are tiring to get across is that GM needs to step up and do it right, get the cars paint fixed, we support them but its like 3 steps forward 2 steps back.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by samsumon

So the machines make a mistake, got it.. Good excuse.


I guess that Quality Control is done by a robot as well??

Or is it not the point of having a human there to make sure FIT and PAINT and FINISH is done appropriately?


And again with the damn excuses. You're telling me a car sitting in QC for 60 days is normal? You don't think that some of the people calling the plant are those owners who see others ORDER after them and RECEIVE before them?

Sounds like GM just put the car on QC and forgot about it. Added to another list.. Or maybe GM should have a procedure that after xx days, the car is recycled and re-sold, meanwhile the owner gets a new car built.

You have nothing to go on, sorry.

You're both right...believe it or not.

[doc212121]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS@Gen5diy

I see your hurt by the truth, we sponsor lots of thing and do more for members then you will ever know, and we call out bad workmanship where we see it, as for the 6th gens i have seen more cars with problems then we seen in the 5th gen, at this time, we have been at this forum from the start of the 5th gen, what we are tiring to get across is that GM needs to step up and do it right, get the cars paint fixed, we support them but its like 3 steps forward 2 steps back.

Im hurt? That's hilarious my man, You talk as if you know the inner sanctum of GM, my bet is you've never been here to Michigan, come on out, Ill show you around, and you can meet the right people if your so "big and do so much" I don't understand why a business who relies on a larger business would outwardly seek to continue to bash and not offer solutions or remedies. Your posting on the forum 50 times a day negatively does not get you respected or noticed from GM unless negatively.

They(GM) are not even close to perfect, HAVE NEVER BEEN, but your assumptions and statements are so unfounded I can tell you don't get it.

And welcome to the community, I been in Camaros and on the forums since 96(CamaroZ28.com,LS1tech,SLP), I didn't just join to make a buck when the 5th gen came out.

PS: Use spellcheck in the future please

[cooley376]

I know the inner sanctum of GM. At least before a lot of the younger idiots came in cheaper and started screwing things up before the bean counters even get involved. My father was one of the top engineers at GM before he retired. He was known in the automotive world internationally and was sought out by nearly every manufacturer. Multiple awards, patents and publications. None of that changes the fact that this car is junk and has horrible quality issues. Yall want to argue like a bunch of children, go have a candle lit picnic and do it there.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Uh-huh...thanks for your insight.