[jimmypop13]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

I drove an '16 Charger RT the other day and I can tell you, the shifts were not as fast as they are in my 328i or the videos I've seen of the Dodge units. Why? I think it has to do with adaptive shift. This Charger had less than 100 miles on it, and since it was a demo you know all kinds of inconsistent drivers have been in it. I think this is the problem with people test driving the A8 Camaros vs people taking delivery of their ordered cars. We need some actual owners who have got 500 miles or more on their cars to take some video. I've heard the same complaints about lag in the paddles on the BMW forums, but I never have any appreciable delay with mine.

I've got 2k miles on mine. The shifts are still delayed the same as the day I bought it over a month ago. I definitely wish they occurred faster than they do with the paddles. Other than that, I do think the A8 is an amazing transmission. My last two cars were manual and I had no real plans to switch back to auto. If this car hadn't impressed me as much as it did on a test drive, I would have gone with the manual.

[jimmypop13]

Originally Posted by MikeyCamaro

The ZF A8 only uses the torque converter to transition from a stop to moving. The torque converter is locked under all conditions (0 - 100% throttle) above 18 MPH and unlocked below 18 MPH. So a torque converter doesn't need to be the death of the quick shift either!

Do you know if it's the same on the Camaro A8? I feel like it's locked up a lot, just not sure if it's that much or not

[MiamiBlueCamaro]

Originally Posted by GMapologists

It's not my opinion. It's a fact. The 6spd stick is excellent, but the A8 is terrible when manually shifted and it's only decent when left in drive 100% of the time. That's why I was forced to choose the manual for my 2016 1SS. If you go shift a PDK equipped car for yourself, then you will understand.

Your opinion is garbage to me and the only fact in here is that the A8 is excellent!

[Vad3r]

I have always driven a manual. I've only had my 2SS for a week (still breaking it in) but I really enjoy it so far. For what is worth, the A8 shifts faster than I could... even in manual mode.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by jimmypop13

I've got 2k miles on mine. The shifts are still delayed the same as the day I bought it over a month ago. I definitely wish they occurred faster than they do with the paddles. Other than that, I do think the A8 is an amazing transmission. My last two cars were manual and I had no real plans to switch back to auto. If this car hadn't impressed me as much as it did on a test drive, I would have gone with the manual.

Originally Posted by Vad3r

I have always driven a manual. I've only had my 2SS for a week (still breaking it in) but I really enjoy it so far. For what is worth, the A8 shifts faster than I could... even in manual mode.

Good to hear from a few manual guys that went A8 and are enjoying it. My daily drivers have been M6 for the last 20 years but the advantages of the A8 are significant so I really want to try one. The C7 and SS videos I've seen of the A8 in performance shift (beast) mode are eye opening.

[ChocoTaco369]

Originally Posted by GMapologists

Anyone who think the A8 is a great transmission, or thinks a torque converter can shift as fast as a DCT, needs to go drive a PDK for themselves and stop being a fan boy that relies on marketing material for their info. Every hypercar runs a DCT, and not one supercar runs a torque converter for a reason. If you can't shift, or don't want to, the A8 is a decent torque converter trans when left in drive 100% of the time. But, no one who has driven a PDK will ever say that the A8 is a great transmission, because it's not. That's why I was forced to order my 2016 1SS with a stick.

I think if you're not shifting the gears yourself, there is no point owning a car like this. If you just want to sit back and let the car drive itself, buy some high powered sports sedan. I want to drive my car and not have the car drive me. The A8 would be a total disappointment to me, and what you're describing sounds even more miserable.

"Forced" is funny. To me the A8 doesn't even exist. I don't understand how so many people can get excited over it.

[PalmerGA]

Originally Posted by alfonsoj23

To his explanation... He says that it basically helps the car run faster..?
Honestly he knows pretty well about cars but this is the first time I feel like he has no idea what he's saying and doesn't wanna accept it... Lol m

Your feelings are correct.

[huggercamaro21]

I think the advantage the M6 has is feel of driving. Which, is a big thing to some. But literally everything else goes to the A8. To say the A8 is garage is absolutely ridiculous and simply unintelligent.

[SSport16]

Originally Posted by MiamiBlueCamaro

Your opinion is garbage to me and the only fact in here is that the A8 is excellent!

I agree! Love this transmission! Everyone thinks DCTs are the answer, but yet all if not most are clunky driving around town, even Ferrari admits this and has had issues like this for years with their F1 style transmissions.

[SSport16]

Originally Posted by huggercamaro21

I think the advantage the M6 has is feel of driving. Which, is a big thing to some. But literally everything else goes to the A8. To say the A8 is garage is absolutely ridiculous and simply unintelligent.

Well said! The A8 is a beast and smooth as anything. GMs A6s were very good, but the A8 is in a whole other league. Their nothing remotely garbage about the A8. Like someone eluded to before, nobody is going to shift a M6 faster than the A8 anyway.

[huggercamaro21]

Originally Posted by SSport16

Well said! The A8 is a beast and smooth as anything. GMs A6s were very good, but the A8 is in a whole other league. Their nothing remotely garbage about the A8. Like someone eluded to before, nobody is going to shift a M6 faster than the A8 anyway.

Yeah I would like to meet the guy that can shift as fast as the A8.
Edit: I would disagree with the A6 comment though. I felt the A6 in my 2012 SS and CTS-V to be very blah. It did the job, but it was one of each of the cars weaker points.

[SuperSound]

Pay not attention to Choco, he's just has sand in his taco for autos. Don't see him complaining he has power brakes, power steering, ABS, A/C, heat, and other convenience items do you? At least you have a choice still between manual and auto. Be thankful.

[huggercamaro21]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Pay not attention to Choco, he's just has sand in his taco for autos. Don't see him complaining he has power brakes, power steering, ABS, A/C, heat, and other convenience items do you? At least you have a choice still between manual and auto. Be thankful.

Hahahahaha. Sand in the taco. Freaking lost it hahahahaha.

[MikeyCamaro]

Originally Posted by Cautionary tale

I don't want to start a war I like the challenger too but from what I've heard from mechanics is that dodge Chrysler trannies are horrible in the long run... but no car is perfect.... two dodge cars I owned tranny fail, one at 41,000... and I don't abuse my cars

The ZF is not built by Chrysler and it goes into high end cars like the Jags. But not looking for a war or even a comparo as I have my own complaints about the ZF (all related to inconsistent shift points in auto mode due to adaptives). My point was that I don't see why there has to be such a delay between the paddle and the actual shift.

On the argument that "you are not shifting" an automatic, that's just semantics. If you initiate the shift, it doesn't really matter whether you do it with the press of a finger or a stab of the left foot plus moving a lever. On a fairly responsive paddle shifter, you still controlled the shift and achieved the chosen gear faster than a manual. So I don't see where semantics come into play. Of course you are not manually operating the gear mechanism on an automatic. But that's just semantics. You are still controlling the gear changes and it's not like your "request" is going to be denied or even delayed unless it would result in engine damage or lugging/stalling.

Mike