[GTIanZ28]

Originally Posted by titanfan

What makes you think the Alpha is a more advanced chassis than the S550? Any actual data regarding the structure to back that up? I asked this question before and the answers were always unrelated to the chassis itself.

The alpha platform is the Cadillac ATS platform. With the camaro they used different bracing and structural bits + all new suspension parts. Info is everywhere and in every review.

Here is a good place to start:
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=423058

[BigRedViking]

Two steps ahead of the Mustang! Definitely aiming for the BMW 4 Series. I'd love to see a 428i vs 2LT, and an optioned out M4 vs. Z-28 comparison.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by titanfan

What makes you think the Alpha is a more advanced chassis than the S550? Any actual data regarding the structure to back that up? I asked this question before and the answers were always unrelated to the chassis itself.

The Camaro is lighter than the Mustang, so right there alone the Camaro chassis is more advanced.

Fact is, when GM set out to design the Alpha chassis, it was the first chassis in the history of the company where weights and measures were done in the metric system rather than English. Johann deNyschen said they measured components down to the nuts and bolts in mm and weighed them in grams and kilos rather than ounces and pounds.

Ask Ford engineers what a kilo is, and some may whisper to you they have some in their car. But to meet them two blocks down the street, behind the Circle K.

[rayhawk]

Originally Posted by fastball

The Camaro is lighter than the Mustang, so right there alone the Camaro chassis is more advanced.

Fact is, when GM set out to design the Alpha chassis, it was the first chassis in the history of the company where weights and measures were done in the metric system rather than English. Johann deNyschen said they measured components down to the nuts and bolts in mm and weighed them in grams and kilos rather than ounces and pounds.

Ask Ford engineers what a kilo is, and some may whisper to you they have some in their car. But to meet them two blocks down the street, behind the Circle K.

The units used have nothing to do with the engineering, I'm not really sure what this has to do with anything. I would say Alpha is superior since even with the compromises necessary to support 2 door/4 door architecture, and the various wheelbases, the car still came out lighter than the Mustang which is purpose built for that one configuration.

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by fastball

The Camaro is lighter than the Mustang, so right there alone the Camaro chassis is more advanced.

Fact is, when GM set out to design the Alpha chassis, it was the first chassis in the history of the company where weights and measures were done in the metric system rather than English. Johann deNyschen said they measured components down to the nuts and bolts in mm and weighed them in grams and kilos rather than ounces and pounds.

Ask Ford engineers what a kilo is, and some may whisper to you they have some in their car. But to meet them two blocks down the street, behind the Circle K.

Originally Posted by rayhawk

The units used have nothing to do with the engineering, I'm not really sure what this has to do with anything. I would say Alpha is superior since even with the compromises necessary to support 2 door/4 door architecture, and the various wheelbases, the car still came out lighter than the Mustang which is purpose built for that one configuration.

Again, saying the Alpha is a more advanced chassis does not mean it IS. Being lighter does not back it more advanced either.

I really don't think fastball was serious about the metric thing; just trying to make a poor joke, I would guess.

So, has anyone compared the two platforms in any detail to show the strengths/weaknesses of both? So far it's just people deciding one is better than the other based on what a model built on the Alpha weighs.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by rayhawk

The units used have nothing to do with the engineering, I'm not really sure what this has to do with anything. I would say Alpha is superior since even with the compromises necessary to support 2 door/4 door architecture, and the various wheelbases, the car still came out lighter than the Mustang which is purpose built for that one configuration.

Originally Posted by titanfan

Again, saying the Alpha is a more advanced chassis does not mean it IS. Being lighter does not back it more advanced either.

I really don't think fastball was serious about the metric thing; just trying to make a poor joke, I would guess.

So, has anyone compared the two platforms in any detail to show the strengths/weaknesses of both? So far it's just people deciding one is better than the other based on what a model built on the Alpha weighs.

I am serious because I've followed GM's engineering news since they hired deNyschen. You guys need to do your homework, and I'm not doing it for you.

Alpha IS more advanced than the Mustang, that is a fact. Go to your little computer and use your little mouse and do a little homework.

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by fastball

I am serious because I've followed GM's engineering news since they hired deNyschen. You guys need to do your homework, and I'm not doing it for you.

Alpha IS more advanced than the Mustang, that is a fact. Go to your little computer and use your little mouse and do a little homework.

The Mustang is not a chassis.

[LesserO2Evils]

So a vehicle's degree of "advancement" is qualified by weight(or lack there of). I was unaware of this...

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by titanfan

Again, saying the Alpha is a more advanced chassis does not mean it IS. Being lighter does not back it more advanced either.

So, has anyone compared the two platforms in any detail to show the strengths/weaknesses of both? So far it's just people deciding one is better than the other based on what a model built on the Alpha weighs.

While we will have to wait a bit for the video, the two platforms were compared in the recent H2H article. Driving impression excerpts of both...

"The Mustang isn't as quick, and getting good performance out of it is hard work. The Ford laps the figure eight in 24.4 seconds, averaging 0.82 g, but it's hard to escape the fact that is shares much with the last Mustang. ..."Feels heavy. There's a lack of damping in the body motions with high pitch and roll rates." In English: You're bounced around a lot. You're shifting a lot too, just cresting into third as you enter the corner before shifting back to second"

"The Camaro is faster around the figure eight in 24.1 seconds and averaging 0.85 g in the process. Doing it couldn't be easier. The Camaro's steering is quick and precise, the big Brembos allow you to dive into corners late, and the broad torque curve means you can do a whole lap in second gear."

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

While we will have to wait a bit for the video, the two platforms were compared in the recent H2H article. Driving impression excerpts of both...

"The Mustang isn't as quick, and getting good performance out of it is hard work. The Ford laps the figure eight in 24.4 seconds, averaging 0.82 g, but it's hard to escape the fact that is shares much with the last Mustang. ..."Feels heavy. There's a lack of damping in the body motions with high pitch and roll rates." In English: You're bounced around a lot. You're shifting a lot too, just cresting into third as you enter the corner before shifting back to second"

"The Camaro is faster around the figure eight in 24.1 seconds and averaging 0.85 g in the process. Doing it couldn't be easier. The Camaro's steering is quick and precise, the big Brembos allow you to dive into corners late, and the broad torque curve means you can do a whole lap in second gear."

Those metrics are related to the spring rates, shock/strut dampening, EPAS, roll bar diameter, etc. (i.e. the suspension) not the chassis.

The 6th Gen is the better performing car and nobody is trying to debate otherwise. The statement was the Alpha was better chassis than what is under the Mustang. I don't have any data that says it is.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by titanfan

Those metrics are related to the spring rates, shock/strut dampening, EPAS, roll bar diameter, etc. (i.e. the suspension) not the chassis.

The 6th Gen is the better performing car and nobody is trying to debate otherwise. The statement was the Alpha was better chassis than what is under the Mustang. I don't have any data that says it is.

Perhaps that's where things went wrong for the Mustang. Alpha is a platform that "include MacPherson struts on the front, 5 link independent rear, use of high strength steel and aluminum, and an overall focus on reducing weight."

The platform was engineered for world-class driving dynamics and light weight, and can be adapted to underpin luxury and non-luxury vehicles alike.

Read more: http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-pl...#ixzz3pYHfbUZe

[Mário Matos]

GOOD VIDEO AND THAT COLOR IS FANTASTIC, REALLY WANTED OUR CAMARO slender THIS AND VERY BEAUTIFUL

[Stex]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Definitely new! Made while on the "Find new Roads" tour...so they slapped this one together while on the road.

"Light years ahead of the Mustang in just about every way"

Wow.

Nice. The six is growing on me due to weight (lack of). Will have to drive both as for sure a V-8 guy. Not liking the low roof visibility comments in the other thread you posted on Camaro vs. GT. Is it just me or does the shifter seem not so smooth.