[Tr6]

I don't see myself ever owning another turbo vehicle. I've had 2 evo X's. Done the modifying game and all... Way too many things that can go wrong both bone stock AND modded, even if the mods are simple or crazy (I don't know how many turbo's I have replaced, from garrettes to others...). It is as simple as turbo = high psi. High psi = no matter how amazing the internals are parts are, they have a breaking point. Breaking point = PITA.

Do NOT get me wrong. T4's will ALWAYS have a place in the market, they are always going to be a lot more affordable (IF the model offers more engines, like mustangs and camaros... v6/v8s), they are easily modifiable and relatively cheaper cost of ownership.

Sadly, just like everything in life. What you want costs $$$$. You want the best performance? V8. But v8 costs A LOT more and you won't be able to get all the bells and whistles you want on a 1SS when you can get it all on a v6 lt/rs.

Prochargers are 5.5k. + install (or free.. As in you could do yourself... or with a friend. They are pretty easy to install actually and you get an OTS tune with it (off the shelf)).

[bigdonut]

See, a part of me wants to believe GM's Turbo 4 will last 200k miles. But erring on the side of caution, V6's rev less than I4's. Unless I'm mistaken, more cylinders means a longer lifespan in terms of overall engine wear. If the V6 seems more reliable than the Turbo 4, and has gas savings (regular vs. premium), does a cost analysis favor the V6 in the longterm? It's important to factor in maintenance, reliability, and wear.

[my1stchevy]

Originally Posted by joecamaro53

Since the Camaro is based on the Alpha platform also used by the Cadillac ATS, it numbers should be very similar.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...al_first_test/

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...s_20t_arrival/
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These links are for an ATS coupe with manual, and sedan with six-speed automatic. The weights are slightly higher, and the '14 sedan has less torque, but the results should give you a feel for what to expect.

I'm going to go with the turbo four. Why the four?

Honestly, how often are you going to use 450 horsepower if this is your daily driver? Yeah, it's fun, but unless you have to get on the Interstate every day and need to race tractor-trailers for gaps in traffic, or have the means and availability to do track days once a month, for which this wouldn't likely be your DD, you're just getting bragging rights on the local bench-racing forum.

I drive mostly in urban and suburban settings where it's not prudent/safe to drive much over the speed limit. There are times and places when I can wind out first gear and get up to 60 mph, and interstate merges where 80 is necessary, but this is such a small percentage of my driving, and if you are really honest with yourself, you are in a similar situation, or else you would not be considering the less-powerful options.

In the meantime, I'm saving several thousand dollars in initial purchase price plus more money in lower operating costs -- gas, insurance, property taxes. If I feel the need for more power, then my savings will pay for any Cobalt SS-like upgrade Chevrolet may make available in the future.

I've owned an El Camino (now that's a real sport utility), Monte Carlo, Regal turbo, LT1 Caprice, and several Hondas including my current DD Accord V6 , and nearing retirement, the Camaro will be the last new car I intend to buy. Always wanted one, but needs overrode wants, but now wants triumphs; if I need something else, then wife can have it -- Traverse, CR-V, RAV4, etc.

Food for thought.

I agree with the practicality. A lot people buy certain cars and like to brag and all they do is drive it to work and go home lol. Im sure a lot of potential gen6 v8 owners won't even see a race track or drag strip to enjoy it the way it should... But if you do please post a video

[GTIanZ28]

Originally Posted by joecamaro53

to GTIanZ28,

That Regal turbo was one of the first made in 1978. I didn't know about letting the turbo cool off after hard running, but it never bit me because I always had a few miles of easy driving for it to cool. Alternator, radiator issues, but never any engine/turbo issues until the turbo failed at 80k when I reached my honeymoon destination. New ones seem to be much more reliable, especially when you follow the maintenance requirements.

VW's in general don't seem to be as reliable as their Japanese competitors, and certainly much more expensive to repair. Don't you read the forums?

Perhaps you missed the part where I said that I fault no one for choosing the turbo 4.

Yeah German car vs Japanese. I get it. Perhaps a Subaru would be better.... Cough cough... Head gasket issues (and quite a few other common and expensive problems?).

But, you are right. I have no intentions of buying another German car (my father warned me long ago about the repair costs on German cars).

And, we just bought a naturally aspirated Subaru for the Mrs. Plain, boring, and slow but, I like its versatility.

[kain279]

Originally Posted by Danfish

I think the v6 would be better to mod then the t4. Once you do FI on the 6 mod for mod the t4 won't be able to keep up.

You miss the point.

Ulitimately, the bigger motor has the most potential, of course. But in this case one comes with FI already and the other could only be made so at great expense with a completely aftermarket solution.

Bolt-ons and bolt-on gains will likely be extremely minimal for the V6.

[bigdonut]

Originally Posted by kain279

You miss the point.

Ulitimately, the bigger motor has the most potential, of course. But in this case one comes with FI already and the other could only be made so at great expense with a completely aftermarket solution.

Bolt-ons and bolt-on gains will likely be extremely minimal for the V6.

So which engine would you pick?

[Danfish]

Originally Posted by kain279

You miss the point.

Ulitimately, the bigger motor has the most potential, of course. But in this case one comes with FI already and the other could only be made so at great expense with a completely aftermarket solution.

Bolt-ons and bolt-on gains will likely be extremely minimal for the V6.

I understand the point just fine. The T4 is very mod friendly (I have an ecoboost mustang) but once you get to a certain point you will have to spend some serious dough to get more power out of the t4 when you could get the 6 and just wait to FI that. I just feel like like if you know you going to heavily mod the Camaro then then 6 or 8 would be better for reliability

[bigdonut]

Well if we're really talking about money savings, you could invest the $1.5k saved by getting the Turbo 4.

[Danfish]

Originally Posted by bigdonut

Well if we're really talking about money savings, you could invest the $1.5k saved by getting the Turbo 4.

Yes you right. But I regret getting the ecoboost but since Camaro is doing such great things with the 6G I will be trading up to an 1SS

[kain279]

Originally Posted by bigdonut

So which engine would you pick?

I won't be ordering until MY2017 so its going to be an SS or possibly whatever is better if it is out by then.

Between the V6 and I4 if I planned on staying stock and having zero warranty issues I would go V6.

If I was planning to mod I would go I4.

[bigdonut]

Originally Posted by kain279

I won't be ordering until MY2017 so its going to be an SS or possibly whatever is better if it is out by then.

Between the V6 and I4 if I planned on staying stock and having zero warranty issues I would go V6.

If I was planning to mod I would go I4.

Interesting. I'm also in the market for MY2017 but I'm not planning to mod unless it's through GM. The nice thing about the V6 is that it has NPP.

What are these zero warranty issues you speak of with the V6?

[GTIanZ28]

Originally Posted by kain279

I won't be ordering until MY2017 so its going to be an SS or possibly whatever is better if it is out by then.

Between the V6 and I4 if I planned on staying stock and having zero warranty issues I would go V6.

If I was planning to mod I would go I4.

Agree 100%. I bet the turbo 4 ends up with a huge aftermarket vs the v6.

And, I bet the turbo 4 will put some serious numbers down. A 400hp/tq turbo 4 at 3400lbs will be a monster. I just worry about the reliability of a suped up turbo 4.

[kain279]

Originally Posted by bigdonut

Interesting. I'm also in the market for MY2017 but I'm not planning to mod unless it's through GM. The nice thing about the V6 is that it has NPP.

What are these zero warranty issues you speak of with the V6?

That was in response to the "slap FI on the V6 then see what's up" comment.

Pistons, intercooler, blower, new cams, etc don't exactly scream "service me".

[bigdonut]

Originally Posted by kain279

That was in response to the "slap FI on the V6 then see what's up" comment.

Pistons, intercooler, blower, new cams, etc don't exactly scream "service me".

That I understand, but if we're dealing with a GM performance tune, how would you approach that? Then again I wonder what the cost of that would be and how it would be worth it over the V6.