[mcsoul]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

I got news for you guys, she let off on the throttle on the 2nd shift which caused the delay. Transmission is only as smart as the driver. You let off the gas on an upshift and the car knows you aren't in a hurry. Notice the first shift was instantaneous. I've seen these exact issues described by BMW owners with the ZF units. Under power there is no appreciable lag unless you are short shifting and letting off on the gas.

Now downshifting delays are another story. Even my ZF 8 speed delays on downshifts.

Finally a voice of reason and experience

[Noob]

Originally Posted by mako22

This lady is the worst, I couldn't finish watching the review.

at 2:15 she´s on throttle and paddle the upshift. It seems really quick for my taste, faster than the ZF in Mustang, ok its a bit old now.
She´s right in saying a hydraulic steering is the best you can have for feeling the road and what´s going on. And i know she´s a big Challenger fan which have that "old" fashioned and more expensive steering.
I like Emme

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Noob

at 2:15 she´s on throttle and paddle the upshift. It seems really quick for my taste, faster than the ZF in Mustang, ok its a bit old now.
She´s right in saying a hydraulic steering is the best you can have for feeling the road and what´s going on. And i know she´s a big Challenger fan which have that "old" fashioned and more expensive steering.
I like Emme

Challenger and Chargers have electric steering too.

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[TheSpectre]

I want to go to my Chevy dealer and drive this car NOW dammit! I am ready for the lease on the M235i to end (first and last BMW, so glad it was a lease).

['01LS1]

Originally Posted by mako22

This lady is the worst, I couldn't finish watching the review.

I thought she worked for The Fast Lane Car? Unless yahoo auto just purchased the review or something.

Originally Posted by TheSpectre

I want to go to my Chevy dealer and drive this car NOW dammit! I am ready for the lease on the M235i to end (first and last BMW, so glad it was a lease).

Issues with the M235 or just not a good fit for what you need?

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

Folks, test drive the car!!!

When I test drove 2 5th Gen's, the visibility was not an issue for me, it didn't even cross my mind - I just drove the damn car just like I would drive any other car.

Number3 will be getting a vert...I have a feeling.

Golf clubs. The old G6 convertible required the clubs go in the back seat with top down. I have hope, though.

[TheSpectre]

Originally Posted by '01LS1

Issues with the M235 or just not a good fit for what you need?

Bit of both, really, and more.

1) after 6 months, the driver's side seat bolster already disintegrated (not cracked, but actually worn away). This being a lease, I took it right to the dealer to make sure it was notified, since I did not want to be dinged for "wear and tear". BMW fixed it under warranty (reupholstered the seat), but threatened that if it happened again, I would be on the hook for it. I railed against that, insisting that if it were to happen again while I possessed it, it would have to be a fault with the car, and if they threatened to stick me with the bill, I would get a lawyer and break the lease. They acquiesced after that (got it in writing).

2) I leased it because BMWs have horrible long term reliability, and frankly I'm over it, and want to buy a car and keep it for 20 years.

3) It drives beautifully, and this thing definitely makes more than 332 lb ft torque at the crank than advertised. The steering is wonderful, the ride is mostly compliant (it has problems with secondary damping), and the ZF 8-speed is brilliant. BUT... the exhaust soundtrack is synthesized through a speaker beneath the driver's seat, which sort of ruins the experience a bit. It gives the James May fizz while driving it hard, but not if you're only going 4-5/10ths. And through no fault of the car itself, it just satisfy my primal urges for a big EFF YOU V8.

4) When I got it, it was to be my only car (though my wife has a car for herself). This is where the M235i makes sense. It's a great all-purpose car. Quiet and comfortable and practical for day to day, but it can definitely wake you up and make you feel all tingly in the pants on a weekend B-road blast. But, since I got it, we found ourselves in the fortunate position to buy a proper, dedicated sports car, our Boxster. This makes the sporting pretensions of the Bimmer completely redundant, so I'd rather replace it with something totally on the different end of the spectrum (and this is why the SRT Challenger is so appealing, as it's a big 2+2 and more adept at cruising than probably any other pony/muscle car).

Basically, in the last year I've scratched quite a few automotive itches, but the glaring one I want to scratch is that of an American V8 pony/muscle car.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Number 3

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Remember, the Camaro Disciples got a chance to weigh in on this car. And that means GM elected to satisfy current Camaro buyers rather than take a reach and create the best coupe ever.

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Come on. Visibility isn't as good as a family coupe. We get it. We know not everyone may be ok with it. You've told us that enough.

But don't you think that statement above is a bit harsh? You've read the reviews right? I'm sure you have. Now tell us how this car is not one of, if not the best performing under 40K sports coupe you can buy? Visibility be damned.

If my 35 thounsand dollar Mustang GTPP grants me better visiability, but I have more fun in the 37 thousand dollar 1SS, which car is a better sports coupe?? I drove around for years in my 2010 Camaro. I could ALWAYS see just fine doing normal driving. Passing...merging...it was never an issue when my mirors were set correctly. The only time I ever pulled onto a road while saying a prayer was at some screwy intersection where the cross road was at a 30 - 45 degree angle on my passenger side....I simply COULD NOT see what was coming. Ended up backing up, and pulling forward to get a better view.

Reviewers that say visibility is bad aren't wrong. I'm not saying that, but the way some of them make it sound (you will die in this car eventually) is over the top.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Went around town and couldn't find the MT comparison vs mustang issue.

Why hasn't someone posted this shit up yet? Wtf

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

Folks, test drive the car!!!

When I test drove 2 5th Gen's, the visibility was not an issue for me, it didn't even cross my mind - I just drove the damn car just like I would drive any other car.

Number3 will be getting a vert...I have a feeling.

This....another member here posted a concern about visibility just a week or two ago. He went and test drove a 5th gen Camaro. The verdict??? It wasn't a problem for him.

[Zultain7]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Come on. Visibility isn't as good as a family coupe. We get it. We know not everyone may be ok with it. You've told us that enough.

But don't you think that statement above is a bit harsh? You've read the reviews right? I'm sure you have. Now tell us how this car is not one of, if not the best performing under 40K sports coupe you can buy? Visibility be damned.

If my 35 thounsand dollar Mustang GTPP grants me better visiability, but I have more fun in the 37 thousand dollar 1SS, which car is a better sports coupe?? I drove around for years in my 2010 Camaro. I could ALWAYS see just fine doing normal driving. Passing...merging...it was never an issue when my mirors were set correctly. The only time I ever pulled onto a road while saying a prayer was at some screwy intersection where the cross road was at a 30 - 45 degree angle on my passenger side....I simply COULD NOT see what was coming. Ended up backing up, and pulling forward to get a better view.

Reviewers that say visibility is bad aren't wrong. I'm not saying that, but the way some of them make it sound (you will die in this car eventually) is over the top.

This! In all seriousness, people are always going to have something that they don't like. This new Camaro strikes in every way that GM intended. They met with people who had the 5th gen and asked what they wanted to see. If the visibility is that big of a deal, or golf clubs, then don't buy it. There are plenty of people who will love the car. I personally don't have a problem with visibility of the 5th gens I've driven. You learn to adapt to the car you're driving.

[huggercamaro21]

Number 3 likes to complain about the visibility a lot! If you adjust your mirrors and just get used to it, the 5th gen is not bad. Is it a mid size sedan? No haha.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Went around town and couldn't find the MT comparison vs mustang issue.

Why hasn't someone posted this shit up yet? Wtf

I was in target and they had no motor trend.. Called Barnes and Noble and they said that December issue would be out in early November for them.

[KMPrenger]

A member here from California apparently got his hands on it, but didn't really read it.....wwhhaaaa?????????????

See this post: http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showpo...4&postcount=39