[hotlap]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

This just in... We still shouldn't believe the weights.

Looks like he disappeared again shortly after whatever the hell that rant was.

[GTIanZ28]

Originally Posted by TheSpectre

Agree to disagree, then. Sounded to me like they really like it. I find them more critical than the other rags (including their assessment of the interior greenhouse), but that's what, IMO, gives them more credibility.

I'm buying this car. And, I'm old"er".

I actually want to hear the negatives! But when 1 out of 8 has little ticky tack complaints it doesn't sound credible.

I gave serious thought to the lower AC vents with the controls since they are next to the shifter. I bought the manual so I can see the potential problem with the location and frozen fingers with the AC. Imagine during winter the hot air will be very welcome!

Look at the negativity and analyze it.

[TheSpectre]

Originally Posted by GTIanZ28

I'm buying this car. And, I'm old"er".
...
Look at the negativity and analyze it.

Not sure what your age has to do with this?

As to your second point, I'm not disagreeing. I can love a car but hate certain features. Maybe I'll agree with the C/D assessment, maybe I'll think they're way off base. I certainly agree with your suggestion that C/D's comments may be the statistical outlier, but IMO that doesn't necessarily invalidate them, either.

My point still stands: I do not think for one second they're "out to get" GM or the Camaro.

[GTIanZ28]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Looks like he disappeared again shortly after whatever the hell that rant was.

Best post of the day. Thank you.

He must be consulting inside sources (i.e... the demons in his head) for all the camaro weaknesses.

Even politicians start looking to their media consultants at this point to spin the story. Perhaps that is the delay..... He is waiting for pre-paid legal to spin the story.

[TheSpectre]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Looks like he disappeared again shortly after whatever the hell that rant was.

I can't count the number of times reading his posts has tempted me to create an account over there just to put him in his place, but then the fevers pass and I return to normal. He's just not worth it, but I'm glad to see so many non-Camaro "trolls" over there are also now refusing to take his medicine.

[GTIanZ28]

Originally Posted by TheSpectre

Not sure what your age has to do with this?

As to your second point, I'm not disagreeing. I can love a car but hate certain features. Maybe I'll agree with the C/D assessment, maybe I'll think they're way off base. I certainly agree with your suggestion that C/D's comments may be the statistical outlier, but IMO that doesn't necessarily invalidate them, either.

My point still stands: I do not think for one second they're "out to get" GM or the Camaro.

The point I was attempting to make is that I don't disagree with you. As an "older" guy I've had a lot of cars throughout the years. I want to know what is wrong with this car.

1 review picking out little complaints doesn't fit in with everyone complimenting the interior and seat improvements.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by dragonZ28

C&D netted a 12.3 et. It's in their review.

I know, but it was an auto...I was talking about manuals since we have three tests compared to one.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by SPCBA

So a 1ss with MRC on shit run flat tires will be able to keep up or beat a gt350 with PP? Wow, jeez Chevy goodjob, still need work on marketing.

Actually, the best numbers have come from a non MRC car so far. I think most people don't realize that MRC doesn't serve any real advantage on a track when compared to a well tuned conventional set up. Where MRC shines is how it can also offer a nicer ride when off the track...

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

Actually, the best numbers have come from a non MRC car so far. I think most people don't realize that MRC doesn't serve any real advantage on a track when compared to a well tuned conventional set up. Where MRC shines is how it can also offer a nicer ride when off the track...

What surprised me was how all the non MRC cars had comments about how nice the ride was. Makes me wonder how much actual difference in rode quality there will be.

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[DevonK]

Originally Posted by TheSpectre

EDIT: not a great review (it only scratches the surface, and the audio quality is awful) but here is some new video of the car in multiple trims, including Blue Velvet!

I'm seeing in this video what the R&T reviewer said about the paddle shift delay - it's very evident when she upshifts on heavy throttle, I was surprised at the delay between the paddle click and the actual shift, almost a full second.

[txferrari]

Took a trip to the Mustang Forums. Smh. They are throwing a hissy fit. But, what else is new. Come on with the new Zl1 already!!! Nice job Chevy. U know it's messed up when I plan on trading in my 15 Black Edition GTR in on a Zl1. I have 4000 miles on my GTR now. It's time for something new. Hurry up already.

[GTIanZ28]

Originally Posted by DevonK

I'm seeing in this video what the R&T reviewer said about the paddle shift delay - it's very evident when she upshifts on heavy throttle, I was surprised at the delay between the paddle click and the actual shift, almost a full second.

I saw that too. Even if the trans will hold redline via programming a delay on shifts is unacceptable! Hopefully the car is a "ringer" and the production models won't have the same issue.

In all seriousness. Is this a difference between a dual clutch and single clutch trans? A software issue?

[G Fo12ce]

Originally Posted by GTIanZ28

I saw that too. Even if the trans will hold redline via programming a delay on shifts is unacceptable! Hopefully the car is a "ringer" and the production models won't have the same issue.

In all seriousness. Is this a difference between a dual clutch and single clutch trans? A software issue?

I wouldn't count on it being a test car issue. I've looked into it and the Corvette's with the same transmission shift the same way and have the same feedback from people. I still would like to see if it's acceptable to me on a test drive though.

It's neither, it's a torque converter auto, not a single or dual clutch.

[doc7000]

Originally Posted by TheSpectre

Not sure what your age has to do with this?

As to your second point, I'm not disagreeing. I can love a car but hate certain features. Maybe I'll agree with the C/D assessment, maybe I'll think they're way off base. I certainly agree with your suggestion that C/D's comments may be the statistical outlier, but IMO that doesn't necessarily invalidate them, either.

My point still stands: I do not think for one second they're "out to get" GM or the Camaro.

Here is the issue and where Car and Drivers comments fall apart, they state that there has been zero improvement in visibility from the old car. With a lower cowl, smaller A pillars, and a slightly lower belt line it just wouldn't be possible for their to be no visibility improvements.

Their editor is making the mistake of because it ins't 100% of what I want it to be I will say it is 0% improved. The problem with this is if people get into a sixth generation Camaro after being in a fifth generation and find that visibility is improved it actually destroys credibility not create it. In other words if people read that and never sit in a sixth generation Camaro then C&D will maintain credibility however if people do sit in it and disagree with them even 20% then they screwed themselves.

It would be similar to a certain someone on here before they lost their credibility and compare the fastest 2015 Mustang GT acceleration times to the slowest 2016 Camaro SS acceleration times. Then for them to state that they are the same or that the Mustang GT is faster then the Camaro SS is, some people do not know how to look at all of the different test and do some averages or figure out what they did.

Honestly when it comes to car rags, they are made up of articles written by people and it is hard to find someone with no bias at all (for or against something). For that reason an article is only as good as the person who wrote it, if it is someone coming from the "Japanese import world" then they are going to compare the 2016 Camaro (or 2015 Mustang) to those cars. The problems you may get comes from the fact that you get out of segment comparison. They might compare the 2016 Camaro 2.0T with the non US spec Miata which comes in at 2,200 pounds and call the 2016 Camaro a pig.

In that context if you were coming from the world of Japanese imports and were interested in the new Camaro that is a relevant comparison. I think for most people who have loved pony cars for a long time the relevant comparison is against the Mustang (and to a lesser extent the Challenger).

Also when some people compare the 2016 Camaro 2.0T to something like a Scion FRS they might not take into consideration that the Camaro is longer, wider, and slightly taller. To me something that is relevant to consider is that the 2016 Camaro is longer, wider, and shorter then the Cadillac ATS coupe and yet it manages to weigh less while costing less. The ATS coupe starts at $38,000 with the 2.0T engine while the 2016 Camaro starts at $27,000 (the same price of a Scion FRS practically). Also the 2016 Camaro is lighter then the ATS coupe as well, with IMHO a more interesting interior.