[90503]

I agree....the most profitable models should have been announced, revealed, and built first...

So where's the info and schedule for the Z/28, ZL1,and 1LE?

[joemosfet]

Originally Posted by classicrockr

Got a quote - turbo will be about 1300 less than the v6 with same options.

No much of a difference....but that would almost pay for mrc

If only MRC was an option on the LT models.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Number 3

In reality, it is VERY hard to launch a car for production. The I4 is likely being held back to add more focus on the top two sellers, the V6s and V8s. The I4 will follow after the major launch same as the convertible.

It just removes a level of complexity from the initial launch. It's also an indicator that GM doesn't expect the I4 to be a huge seller. And it also probably fits with the ramp up to full production.

Oh, and it is likely the least profitable of the 3 engines so no real need to hurry on that, but that's more of a guess.

THIS...

Originally Posted by LesserO2Evils

I think there are going to be a lot if shocked people at the impressive sales of this lil I4T.

and THIS.

[JaxChris]

I disagree on the comment of the 2.0T not being a big seller. My belief is the opposite. The V6 is coming first to move them as best they can. The V6 Camaro will beat the EB & V6 Mustang. But once the 2.0T comes out, also beats the V6 Mustang and hangs with the EB Mustang, nobody will see a reason for the V6 option. Either you get the 4cyl cruiser or you get the 8cyl racer.

In 1-2 years, there won't be a V6 Camaro anymore.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by JaxChris

I disagree on the comment of the 2.0T not being a big seller. My belief is the opposite. The V6 is coming first to move them as best they can. The V6 Camaro will beat the EB & V6 Mustang. But once the 2.0T comes out, also beats the V6 Mustang and hangs with the EB Mustang, nobody will see a reason for the V6 option. Either you get the 4cyl cruiser or you get the 8cyl racer.

In 1-2 years, there won't be a V6 Camaro anymore.

1-2 years?? No way. Maybe after the refresh, or for gen 7...sure I can go with that. (if the V6 isn't selling well)

But look at the stock numbers....the V6 performance over the 2.0 is worth the difference in price. If people want a reasonably priced ride that has great performance they will be looking at the V6 over the 2.0.

Only modders who are serious about tuning will choose the 2.0 over the V6 (for performance reasons).

There are also those that will choose the V6 over the 2.0 b/c of the sound...same as V8 over all else b/c of sound for some people out there. Too many people are using the Mustang as evidence....yeah the EB sells WAY more, but Ford also neutered the V6 by offering no upper end options or PP on it. Also, the V6 actually LOST a bit of HP over the previous model. They are pushing the EB in a big way.

So I think you aren't giving the V6 a fair fight. I love to mod, and my choice would have been the V6 over the 2.0 for the sound, and the fact that I loved my last V6 and it should be easy to get 350+HP out of this one. That would be awesome in a 3,500 pound car...but I ended up in an SS this time around.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by Number 3

In reality, it is VERY hard to launch a car for production. The I4 is likely being held back to add more focus on the top two sellers, the V6s and V8s. The I4 will follow after the major launch same as the convertible.

It just removes a level of complexity from the initial launch. It's also an indicator that GM doesn't expect the I4 to be a huge seller. And it also probably fits with the ramp up to full production.

Oh, and it is likely the least profitable of the 3 engines so no real need to hurry on that, but that's more of a guess.

This.

[VF-22]

I don't think they believe it will be that big a seller vs the other 2 models and I'm sure they would rather get the Camaro out for their enthusiasts vs the T4 buyer who is most likely just buying it for a DD/gas savings.

The one thing Chevy got so right is the T4 -> V6 - V8 order unlike Ford who really confused the heck out of consumers. Their V6 should have been the mid model.

[Boilermaker128]

I'd rather the sound of the 4 than the 6. Blowoff valve and tune for $500 and your psssssh will turn heads.

[laborsmith]

Doesn't need a tune but the correct short ram intake and by pass valve and you will have sufficient pssssh to turn heads. Of course, little or no power boost unless tuned, but definitely enough pssssh to make it worthwhile.

Laborsmith

[NASTY99Z28]

To bad the lil 4 can't get mrc. A 350-375hp lightweight with mrc would be a blast to drive and cheap too.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

To bad the lil 4 can't get mrc. A 350-375hp lightweight with mrc would be a blast to drive and cheap too.

You just described the V6.

A 2.0T higher than 300 HP is a hand grenade.

[joemosfet]

Originally Posted by Number 3

A 2.0T higher than 300 HP is a hand grenade.

As in "it's a blast to drive" ?

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by joemosfet

As in "it's a blast to drive" ?

LOL


I know of a lot of people in the Solstice/Sky community that have gone over 400 HP with the 2.0T. But 100 HP per cylinder gained by simply upping the boost does not make for a durable engine. Now start from scratch and design it for 400 HP and ultra high cylinder pressures? Maybe.

Now if you baby it around town and don't do what GM does to validate an engine and don't put a lot of miles on it, you might be ok. It's just not an engine that would likely pass any OEM's testing for durability or emissions. But of course there are tuners out there that will tell you it's MOHR durable than stock.

Remember, just because you can doesn't mean you should.

[SupportGeek]

Originally Posted by 90503

It's a mystery....I don't see any rhyme or reason for what is announced, what is revealed, what is available, what is or is not going to be made....Maybe it's a combo of a tortuous reveal/non-reveal/maybe/wait/who knows...and they're getting out what they can, when they can...

It's a head scratcher...the T-4 is a car they said they will build, but no-one has seen or driven one...and it was announced at the reveal....

Other models, ZL-1, Z/28(?), 1LE(?) have been "seen", but not even mentioned to exist or be manufactured at any time in the near future...

Consider yourself lucky....expect hear about what does not exist yet, but don't expect to hear anything about what you see....

Not quite true, its been seen here for example, in this video with Michael Tung, drifting around.



It looks impressive, even though its just a 4 banger.
I definitely want to try one out when they are available, but I want the V8. Still, I bet its fun to throw around.