[RenegadeSS]

Originally Posted by laborsmith

ZZP has done significant upgrades to my Sonic and they are definitely turbo oriented.

Laborsmith

They do great work. My cobalt held up well on a stock motor with 373 whp. Their tunes are spot on. I never had idle issues, or WOT issues. Drove like OEM, until I pushed the go pedal.

[ChefBorOzzy]

You live in Florida.. Go Camaro. Or find yourself an ATS with a stick on the cheap (used).

[Sidedraft]

In this segment I would go for the practicality of a hatchback over a coupe. Probably between either the Focus ST or VW GTI.

Of the three listed, I would go with the 2016 Camaro 1LT.

[cyberbro]

Living in FL, I would not care much about AWD. Go with the Camaro said the people on that Camaro fan site lol

[bhavyas]

If I were in your place I would have never gone for a muscle car with the turbo boost.. nothing wrong with having one but I just feel like muscle cars with v6/v8 is what made them what they are... any turbo car and I would have gone for the WRX hands down... its got a great boxer engine.. they dont depreciate that much ... and they look decent enough...the interiors are just meh...but then you kind of get a lot for 30k...

[amerhash28]

When I hear the word "camaro" or "mustang" I imagine a badass car with a vicious wild exhaust sound going sideways and making other cars look like $h!tLOL.so the whole 2.0 camaro Idea makes me sad...yeah I know its fast and light but honestly the last thing I want on my camaro is a 4 cylinder.so I prefer paying that much money(26-28k) on a car made for this kind of engine like a focus ST or toyota GT86 or a genesis 2.0 turbo

[amerhash28]

Originally Posted by bhavyas

If I were in your place I would have never gone for a muscle car with the turbo boost.. nothing wrong with having one but I just feel like muscle cars with v6/v8 is what made them what they are... any turbo car and I would have gone for the WRX hands down... its got a great boxer engine.. they dont depreciate that much ... and they look decent enough...the interiors are just meh...but then you kind of get a lot for 30k...

I just wasted my time typing what I want to say when you already said what I had in mind.100% agree.

[fradaj]

Nothing wrong with the new turbo's. I've seen video's of Ecoboost Mustangs that are as fast as GT's with just a tune. The Camaro turbo I am sure will have people tuning them as well. The turbo Camaro is significantly lighter than the V8. Never really looked at buying a Subaru.

[Z_Rocks]

Originally Posted by fradaj

Nothing wrong with the new turbo's. I've seen video's of Ecoboost Mustangs that are as fast as GT's with just a tune. The Camaro turbo I am sure will have people tuning them as well. The turbo Camaro is significantly lighter than the V8. Never really looked at buying a Subaru.

I have driven them all. One thing I love about WRX/STi is the sitting position and ho clear your views (front/rear/sides/corners) are. It's designed similar to BMW or Audi from sitting position and you can see the road from the front without the hood being an obstacle. This gives you very precious cornering.

I'm 5.7 and when I sit in Camaro or Mustang or Corvette, I feel like I don't have that control and view I get that I do with European cars.

[cyberbro]

Originally Posted by Z_Rocks

I have driven them all. One thing I love about WRX/STi is the sitting position and ho clear your views (front/rear/sides/corners) are. It's designed similar to BMW or Audi from sitting position and you can see the road from the front without the hood being an obstacle. This gives you very precious cornering.

I'm 5.7 and when I sit in Camaro or Mustang or Corvette, I feel like I don't have that control and view I get that I do with European cars.

You did not drive a 2016 Camaro turbo

[Z_Rocks]

Originally Posted by cyberbro

You did not drive a 2016 Camaro turbo

Not yet, but I doubt the sitting position has changed from Gen 5.

[amerhash28]

Originally Posted by Z_Rocks

Not yet, but I doubt the sitting position has changed from Gen 5.

Well the dashboard dropped an inch so I think they improved the outward visibility. Lets not forget,this is what american coupes drive like....feels like sitting in a tub but you have full control.im 6.2 but when I sit in a challenger you can barely see my head from outside.LOL

[Z_Rocks]

Originally Posted by amerhash28

Well the dashboard dropped an inch so I think they improved the outward visibility. Lets not forget,this is what american coupes drive like....feels like sitting in a tub but you have full control.im 6.2 but when I sit in a challenger you can barely see my head from outside.LOL

You made my point very clear. I had a Z06 and being 5.7, I had very little confidence in making quick turns, because I didn't have a clear view of my very front of the car.

Two days ago, I drove my friend's new Porsche Caymen. Wow, talk about being in control. I loved how you can pinpoint that car in any direction. But I don't have $60K to drop on a car.

[2000Firehawk]

Originally Posted by RenegadeSS

I'm sorry but this is a new age, and some of you need to get past the fact that there is a four cylinder camaro. The LTG has a huge aftermarket support for the ecotec platform to begin with. Just look at ZZPerformance. They are spear heading ecotec aftermarket developement, and been the leader in that platform for over a decade. Here is some of there most notable parts. http://www.xvideos.com/video9324211/...joven_follando . Here is another article where they are working on all their stage kits. http://gmauthority.com/blog/2014/07/...-cadillac-ats/ . So the turbo four is a great platform, and I am looking forward to my purchase.

THIS...

Also, the low weight, under 3,350 lbs, is shocking..., my 2009 HHR SS, is also just under 3,350 lbs...
The HHR is based on the compact Cobalt, Delta chassis, & I'm amazed that the,
Gen6 team, got the Camaro down that low...

Whats that mean to you ?
Better everything, when the weight starts out that low...
State of the art handing, on a state of the art, Alpha chassis...

Have you seen this, sweet, Camaro 2.0T video?
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2015/09/...rifting-video/

A simple Ethanol E47 tune, with a set of slicks, gets you into the 12.9s, at the 1/4 mile too...
Then add the ZZP EFR 7163 turbo upgrade, which will put you into the 11s, & still remain 100% streetable,
& it will still weight less than 3,350 lbs...