[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Sorry to break it to you, but the GT350 is 50k dollars where the 2SS is 42,300. That is a 7,700 dollar difference. That's a nice chunk of "change".

If you keep on going on about cross shopping the 2SS against a GT350, then the same can be said about the GT Premium with PP.

I was under the impression that a fully loaded 2SS was closer to 50k than 42k. If that's not true, then that's better for me lol. Yes, the same can be said about a GT premium with the PP if it's in that same price ballpark.

[M12LRV]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

The interior is not as great as fanboys try to make it seem, but it's nowhere near garbage. Seats are nice, dash is decent, plastic console surrounding cup holders/shifter is cheaper looking.. That's off the top of my head from my buddy's GT PP..

Ehh I just don't think it's a "$60,000 interior" if you know what I mean. It would be unacceptable in any other car, for that price. I think they would be better off charging an extra 1000 and having an interior that is more consistent with the price range, for the gt350 at least.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

I was under the impression that a fully loaded 2SS was closer to 50k than 42k. If that's not true, then that's better for me lol. Yes, the same can be said about a GT premium with the PP if it's in that same price ballpark.

So you want to add sunroof, MRC, auto, navigation, and NPP to the price and then compare to the GT350 that only has one of those for 50k?

That's on top of the 2SS having leather, heated seats, heated steering wheel, cooled seats, blind side warning, configurable gauge display, and an 8 inch screen in the dash.. Bunch of stuff that's not on the base 350.

Don't let price make your decision though. GT350 is a bad ass looking car. If that's what you want and don't care for the track pack or any add ons, go ahead and pay 50k for it plus whatever the ADM is.

[LesserO2Evils]

I HAVE cross shopped the GT350, 16 Camaro SS, and C7; hell, even an older Viper or 13/14 GT500! But I KNOW Im a minority in that sense. Its all a question if sacrifices you are willing to make for priorities you decide upon.
I decided on a loaded SS.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

So you want to add sunroof, MRC, auto, navigation, and NPP to the price and then compare to the GT350 that only has one of those for 50k?

That's on top of the 2SS having leather, heated seats, heated steering wheel, cooled seats, blind side warning, configurable gauge display, and an 8 inch screen in the dash.. Bunch of stuff that's not on the base 350.

Don't let price make your decision though. GT350 is a bad ass looking car. If that's what you want and don't care for the track pack or any add ons, go ahead and pay 50k for it plus whatever the ADM is.

The GT350 doesn't come with mag ride...add 7K track pack and you have a 55K car to get mag ride vs. A 1SS with optioned mag at what...39 or 40K?

That is unless you are talking about a different thing they have in common.

I also agree the GT350 is badass...and it is an option for me as a buyer looking for ZL1.

And isn't it saying something that folks are comparing a 2SS to ford's hipo model...hmmmm.

[SupportGeek]

I thought about the GT350
Im not eligible for GM employee discount or supplier pricing like everyone else seems to be here, but Ford X-plan pricing is easy to get.
After pricing out the 2SS I want, NPP, mag ride its going to come in a hair under $45k, a GT350 is $49k base, now its not loaded, but it is a pretty smokin car and I think Id be willing to leave a few of the 2SS creature comforts on the table to own one, and saving up another $4k (or less because of Xplan) isnt all that much longer than Ive already been waiting to get to my target.

Ultimately Ive decided on the Camaro 2SS, for a few reasons, not the least of which is that its just a badass looking car.a but the pricing to me isnt that far apart that it wasnt at least worth thinking about as an option, and I seriously think there will be a lot less GT350s on the road than Camaro 6s, so the car will be a little more unique.
At least thats how I went about thinking about it.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

The GT350 doesn't come with mag ride...add 7K track pack and you have a 55K car to get mag ride vs. A 1SS with optioned mag at what...39 or 40K?

That is unless you are talking about a different thing they have in common.

I also agree the GT350 is badass...and it is an option for me as a buyer looking for ZL1.

And isn't it saying something that folks are comparing a 2SS to ford's hipo model...hmmmm.

I was under the impression the 350 has a dual mode exhaust.. Maybe it's just quad tip though.

[joemosfet]

I don't really have a budget on the car I want to buy - obviously I can't get a million dollar car, but any of the cars mentioned here fall easily within my price range.

But I still look at the price on these vehicles because I have a sense of value. (When I bought my '14 Camaro, I was actually in the process of cross-shopping sedans and looking at the Chevy SS I had previously come from an AWD HEMI Charger and was wanting something that might be able to do nearly as well in the snow. I ended up buying a Camaro and a used Ram 1500 instead.)

In my opinion, the Mustang GT350, while a sweet sweet ride, doesn't have that value that the '16 Camaro has, for me. Don't get me wrong, if I was the millionaire, I'd have both of them in my garage next to a Hellcat, but I digress.

[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

So you want to add sunroof, MRC, auto, navigation, and NPP to the price and then compare to the GT350 that only has one of those for 50k?

In short, yes.

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

That's on top of the 2SS having leather, heated seats, heated steering wheel, cooled seats, blind side warning, configurable gauge display, and an 8 inch screen in the dash.. Bunch of stuff that's not on the base 350.

Yes, exactly. It all depends on what is more important to the consumer.

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Don't let price make your decision though. GT350 is a bad ass looking car. If that's what you want and don't care for the track pack or any add ons, go ahead and pay 50k for it plus whatever the ADM is.

It is a nice looking car. The ADM is a different story. MSRP, the prices of a bare bones GT350 and fully loaded 2SS may be similar, but in the real world, it's gonna be damn near impossible to get a GT350 with any sort of discount. Most would consider themselves lucky to pay sticker. That won't be the case with the 2SS. I'm just saying on paper, they are close in price.



I know what you have been trying to say and I agree with you, for the most part. I think you're reading too much into it. All I am simply saying is that for the price of a fully loaded 2SS with all the options checked off, you can get a base GT350 with no added options at all for a similar price. Would anybody want to do that? Maybe, depends on what the person wants.

Me, for example, would rather have the 2SS. I want a fun road car that is also fast. I won't be frequenting any tracks or anything, and like all the gadgets, gizmos and amenities the 2SS comes with, not to mention the beautiful interior. So for me, the 2SS is where it's at.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

I was under the impression the 350 has a dual mode exhaust.. Maybe it's just quad tip though.

Yes, both GT350 and R have "Active Valve" dual exhaust (quad tip). HOWEVER, this isn't an option on anything but the GT350 and R, so once again, GM is providing options in their first tier (1LT and SS) models that ford is not, so we have a problem here with getting to an apple to apple comparison level.

Folks that believe the 2SS is overpriced are checking option boxes that aren't even available to check on the Ford side of things, until you go with a 49K (no optioned) GT350.

IMO you are getting a TON of stuff in a 2SS and if you think it's too much $$$, then go with 1SS, for which I think the closest Mustang is a GT with performance Pack and a 2SS is in between somewhere closer to GT350 IMO, but lets realize we are talking about 15K price difference between 2SS and GT350 (with Track Pack), so yes - GT350 is going to be a better performer and is going to also take 33% more of your hard earned coin.

I think between the two offerings Ford and Chevy provide all of us, we are in a great position to get the car that fits our needs the best. I'm still waiting to see what the HIPO camaro has to offer, i wait, and wait, and wait.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Curr

Actually you're wrong, I did. Most think a loaded A8/MRC/NPP 2SS controvertible will top $50k, and be in the $53k range, some say loaded to $60k. My self imposed 'max' budget is around $57k. I know people will pick apart the price difference, but please check yourself. Some people just want a toy, and while a loaded 2SS convertible, a C7, and a GT350 don't fit your idea of being "in the same arena" regardless of price, configuration, or "use", they are to some in broad categories of just being "high performance toys". That's it, just a toy to tickle a fancy. If you don't get that, you're either a diehard fanboy, or just want to be stubborn and disagree with someone who doesn't hold your opinion.

So I started looking at what else was available in that price range. Obviously that brought in GT350 and C7's.

I'm not a track guy, and my wife isn't fond of really loud cars, so I ruled out the GT350 no matter how cool the track star status is.

For me it's down to C7 and 2SS convertibles, with Wifey, God bless her, leaning towards a C7.

EDIT: Some of you are very hung up on pricing. Please remember, some of us aren't.

I was waiting for someone like you to respond. Didn't take long. The truth of the matter is you are in a VERY small group...like...such a small group it doesn't even matter kind of group.

I don't give a rats behind that you are cross shopping a completely loaded to the gills 2SS convertible with extras that will push 50K...and using the price to reason buying a base GT350 that won't have half the creature comforts. I would venture to say that you are also way out of the norm for cross shopping a convertible versus non-convertible cars. I know a few guys who have sport convertibles, and they all tell me they wouldn't consider a coupe at all. They want the open feeling of the convertible.

I am neither stubborn or a diehard, so don't be judgmental and play the stereotyping game.

So yes...there will be a few out there like yourself. I don't mean that in any type of disrespectful way, so don't take it that way, but its not the norm. We as enthusiasts, are not the norm.

Last but not least...we aren't even into the beginning of the 2016s first model year yet. Chevy could give us another 1LE package next year, (we already know they are testing 1, if not two hi-po models) that lets say could be added to a 1SS for in the range of 5 - 10 grand less, giving 98% of the base GT350 performance. That would flip this conversation on its head.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

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If you keep on going on about cross shopping the 2SS against a GT350, then the same can be said about the GT Premium with PP.

THIS...please people. Go build up a GT premium with as many features as you can that the 2SS comes with standard and see where you end up. You'll be very close to 2SS territory in no time.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

THIS...please people. Go build up a GT premium with as many features as you can that the 2SS comes with standard and see where you end up. You'll be very close to 2SS territory in no time.

The problem is that the GT doesn't even have the options that are available to the 1SS or 2SS or even some options at the 1LT level. So yes the price of a fully loaded GT will still be less than a 2SS.

MRC
Active Exhaust
Diff, Tranny, Engine Oil Coolers
Rev Match (not available at all, at any level in the Mustang ??)

I guess the lesson here is, and not directed at you KMPrenger, but to everyone in general, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
Again, if the 2SS is adding things you don't need...DON'T GET ONE, they have this thing called a 1SS.

[SuperSound]

Honestly, if $50k is what you have and max performance is what you want giving little consideration to amenities....let's get this one on the list

http://us.caterhamcars.com/cars/seven-480

Even that convertible feel for Curr lol