[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Because the Scat Pack is an upgrade over the base V8 and the PP is an upgrade over the GT Premium.

How does the SS coming with coolers, 3.73 and run flats change the fact that none of those are upgrades over the base V8?

SS doesn't need the upgrades to run with these cars...simple as that. They offer a brake upgrade, and MRC if you want to be able to tune your suspension...that package is going to easily beat Mustang PP and Challenger at the track. What else is needed...why complain about not having some sort of engine upgrade??

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

Right but it does so at a much higher price based on a GT. Hell you can add the pp to the gt and still cost less with more. If they some how do hit the weight they've promised then I will gladly eat crow and completely understand the price. If not then we were not only lied to many times but charged extra for nothing.

What "more" does a GTPP have over a 1SS. Slight brake advantage, and tires I guess?

While the 1SS is still sporting more HP, much better TQ curve, less weight (supposedly?), and extra coolers. If it wasn't for the run flats on the SS, I'd say the 1SS still has an advantage over the GTPP.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

Those 20's and plethora of coolers are what scares me about the weight. Now imagine the car had none of those. A lower price point and a lower weight. That's a true "base" 1ss that Chevy should offer. None of those except maybe the extra rad's are needed for a daily driver with no track time.

I can't disagree with you there. I think the extra coolers could/should have been some kind of cooling package....offered outside of an brake package. Offer the two separately.

I would still go with 20s myself, although I think a nice looking set of 19's being the default option minus the coolers would have probably shaved another 50ish? pounds, and reduced the price enough to keep it under 37K including destination.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

What "more" does a GTPP have over a 1SS. Slight brake advantage, and tires I guess?

While the 1SS is still sporting more HP, much better TQ curve, less weight (supposedly?), and extra coolers. If it wasn't for the run flats on the SS, I'd say the 1SS still has an advantage over the GTPP.

A base gt with pp is a far cry from more of a car for the money compared to a 1SS. I'd pay the extra couple grand just for the lt1.
I agree.

And why do people keep saying we won't need a 1le or that no room for improvement is seen? This car runs on 245/275 run flats. Although I'm guessing these new run flat 3 tires designed for the camaro ss have decent grip if it is beating the 1le. Some rip on these tires and have no idea how good or bad they are yet. It's a new tire.

But anyway.... Just a more aggressive suspension and wider stickier tires on all 4 corners would make a decent improvement I'm sure. With the prior success of the 1le I doubt that GM will stop making it. And since when do things stand still? This car is at its peak in its first model year ? Things always improve and the camaro is no exception whether that happens with a 1le type package is yet to be seen but I'm guessing it will.

[Jeffro19]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Yep, which is what makes me think there will be no 1LE. We already have a track ready 1SS. MRC just helping make it tamer on the streets. Too early to tell though.

I agree with you, I don't think there will be a 1LE. GM will go straight to the ZL1 like they did when they combined the Z06/ZR1.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Jeffro19

I agree with you, I don't think there will be a 1LE. GM will go straight to the ZL1 like they did when they combined the Z06/ZR1.

They still have a z51 package.

[Jeffro19]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

They still have a z51 package.

True I was just saying the camaro will probably not have the 1LE or the Z28 and combine it to the ZL1

[vtirocz]

I think there will be a 1LE in coming years (MY17 or MY18). It's called planned obsolescence and will keep interest/demand for the car high after after launch.

All the 1LE probably needs compared to the 1SS is 4.10 gears on the manual, ATS-V or CTS-V brakes, 18" wider/stickier tires, and maybe a more aggressive spring/shock/swaybar combo. Maybe take out the AFM hardware on the manual too just for good measure!

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

A base gt with pp is a far cry from more of a car for the money compared to a 1SS. I'd pay the extra couple grand just for the lt1.
I agree.

And why do people keep saying we won't need a 1le or that no room for improvement is seen? This car runs on 245/275 run flats. Although I'm guessing these new run flat 3 tires designed for the camaro ss have decent grip if it is beating the 1le. Some rip on these tires and have no idea how good or bad they are yet. It's a new tire.

But anyway.... Just a more aggressive suspension and wider stickier tires on all 4 corners would make a decent improvement I'm sure. With the prior success of the 1le I doubt that GM will stop making it. And since when do things stand still? This car is at its peak in its first model year ? Things always improve and the camaro is no exception whether that happens with a 1le type package is yet to be seen but I'm guessing it will.

I'm not saying there won't be some changes or maybe another package down the time, but probably not going to happen until after the Z car(s) again or the competition ups the ante. They could just start offering non-RFT summer tires later on. I just don't see something as comprehensive as the 1LE was on the 5th gen.

[mcsoul]

I find it hard to conceive of the gen 6 beating the 1LE around a track without
3.91 gears and 305 rubber. I'll be impressed if it beats the 1LE on a track or
strip with stock 275 rears.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by mcsoul

I find it hard to conceive of the gen 6 beating the 1LE around a track without
3.91 gears and 305 rubber. I'll be impressed if it beats the 1LE on a track or
strip with stock 275 rears.

Take a less than ideal platform and put some serious hardware to improve it = 5th gen 1LE.

Take a customized, performance oriented platform and give it more power on top of its lighter weight and stronger frame = 6th gen SS

Not as hard as it sounds. The question is, is it just better or noticeably better than the 1LE.

[ULTRAZLS1]

^^^

Sure the 1le has 285s all around. On a chassis designed in 2004 at 3900 lbs.

The 16ss is an entirely new platform. Does that mean nothing?

Tires are a big deal yes. But like I said these new run flats have not been tested by anyone and were developed just for the car. No they won't match the 1le tires but what about the 1le can't match the new ss? Plenty of things lol

GM can't design a new vehicle to beat one that they designed themselves and had all the time in the world to benchmark and overcome from day one? I would almost be more surprised if they couldn't if you think about it.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Yep, which is what makes me think there will be no 1LE. We already have a track ready 1SS. MRC just helping make it tamer on the streets. Too early to tell though.

1le could offer the big brakes,bigger/sticky tires,lighter wheels, gears and appearance add on's. That would make for one hell of a car. Then skip the z28 all together and jump to the zl1.

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

What "more" does a GTPP have over a 1SS. Slight brake advantage, and tires I guess?

While the 1SS is still sporting more HP, much better TQ curve, less weight (supposedly?), and extra coolers. If it wasn't for the run flats on the SS, I'd say the 1SS still has an advantage over the GTPP.

Cost is a big factor. Nobody likes to be forced feed options.

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Take a less than ideal platform and put some serious hardware to improve it = 5th gen 1LE.

Take a customized, performance oriented platform and give it more power on top of its lighter weight and stronger frame = 6th gen SS

Not as hard as it sounds. The question is, is it just better or noticeably better than the 1LE.

On a longer track I could see it doing well against a 1le if it hits the weights promised. On a tight slower track I'd give them nod to the 1le. Only time will tell.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

1le could offer the big brakes,bigger/sticky tires,lighter wheels, gears and appearance add on's. That would make for one hell of a car. Then skip the z28 all together and jump to the zl1.



On a longer track I could see it doing well against a 1le if it hits the weights promised. On a tight slower track I'd give them nod to the 1le. Only time will tell.

1. We can already get a 6 piston upgrade option, lighter wheels, more aggressive gearing, and sticky summer tires....sounds like a good package. Maybe it will be down the road.

2. You know that makes me remember the 5th gen Mustang GT vs V6 PP runs at VIR. The V6 kept hitting the rev limiter in the straights but still spanked the GT in lap time. I always thought that was crazy b/c VIR is such a long track you would think limited speed would eat away time more than it did. But then again VIR has a lot of tricky turns.