[ChefBorOzzy]

Honestly, I'm ashamed to own a car from the same brand as those guys. I have never seen a crowd like that and I have been on plenty of forums. Subaru, Dodge, Chevy..

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

They are trying to calculate a way to make themselves feel better.

The heavier the Camaro the less it will pound on the mustang in every performance benchmark when it is released. It is one of the last things they have hope left in.

The lighter it is the uglier it will be for them. Hence they are arguing about every pound....

Also....GM is evil. Pure evil. You cant believe a word from them. Official specs wont mean a thing to a lot of them. The only way this will end, being half of them cant think for themselves, is when someone special weighs one and reports the results. It may show GM has the numbers off by a few pounds im sure one way or another (without thinking about the scales accuracy or other factors such as options etc.... hell they are looking so nutty I wouldn't doubt they would add weight to the car)....they will rejoice...have a circle jer* and feel better about themselves.
All while forgetting the mustang is listed at 3700 pounds and has been weighed at well over 3800lbs. Not questioning a thing or worrying about the options etc.
For example the endless ranting about a 3760 ats-v. It is listed at 3700...for the base model like everything is. Doesn't mean a damn thing. Change a few options and the scales be off a bit and their you go.
But yet...GM are liars they are truth.

If a same day same driver same track professional comparison of cars isn't enough to break the stupidity of that place do you really think official curb weights will phase them? lol...this is just the beginning.

Just for the heck of it....does anyone have any proof of a legitimately weighed 2015 mustang gt that has verified all fluids filled to top and everything legit...showing exactly 3700lbs? All ive seen are pathetic attempts with people who dont know what curb weight mean. Weigh them with no gas and rejoice because they think the car is almost 100 lbs lighter (the weight of the gas lol)
I haven't seen one. FORD IS LYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!RAAAARRRRRR
LMAO...pathetic

I work for a company that makes truck mounted construction equipment where weight is critical so we scale every finished machine on a certified scale and log them by type so we can see average, standard divination, etc.

It's common to see 0.6 to 0.8 % difference between identical machines. We chalk it up to variations in material thickness and scale tolerance. You can weigh the exact machine six times in a row and get a slightly different result every time. (That 0.8 % would be 30lbs difference on a 3700 lb car)

I looked at the other sides site after it was mentioned here a few a few months back. It's like a alternate universe with a lead goon and a half dozen bobble heads that defend everything said. Amusing at first but gets old. GM lies, GM pays off everyone else to lie, track comparisons by mags are lies and the Mustang dominates in the only real form of racing.... the SCCA (amateurs with mods)

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

I work for a company that makes truck mounted construction equipment where weight is critical so we scale every finished machine on a certified scale and log them by type so we can see average, standard divination, etc.

It's common to see 0.6 to 0.8 % difference between identical machines. We chalk it up to variations in material thickness and scale tolerance. You can weigh the exact machine six times in a row and get a slightly different result every time. (That 0.8 % would be 30lbs difference on a 3700 lb car)

I looked at the other sides site after it was mentioned here a few a few months back. It's like a alternate universe with a lead goon and a half dozen bobble heads that defend everything said. Amusing at first but gets old. GM lies, GM pays off everyone else to lie, track comparisons by mags are lies and the Mustang dominates in the only real form of racing.... the SCCA (amateurs with mods)

Wow I didn't know the variation could be that much. I would have guessed half that. Crazy.

And your right it does get old. I just got a headache from it and realized I need to stop torturing myself.

[90503]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Crazy.

And your right it does get old. I just got a headache from it and realized I need to stop torturing myself.

Had to look....their last page....wow...I feel bad for anyone who disagrees with you-know-who....Talk about a Napolean complex, or whatever...lol...

You are right, it's aggravating just to look at....It's a pretty good sample of what goes on over there...lol...

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/show...210#post674858

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Wow I didn't know the variation could be that much. I would have guessed half that. Crazy.

And your right it does get old. I just got a headache from it and realized I need to stop torturing myself.

Just to be clear. When weighing the same machine on the same scale consecutive times, the variation is much less. Say 0.1% Drive the same machine across town (or country) and the result can be very different. We use to joke that the force of gravity in California was greater. This area is one of my responsibilities and I've seen weights of 1000s of machines so I know it well and can back what I've said with data

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by 90503

Had to look....their last page....wow...I feel bad for anyone who disagrees with you-know-who....Talk about a Napolean complex, or whatever...lol...

You are right, it's aggravating just to look at....It's a pretty good sample of what goes on over there...lol...

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/show...210#post674858

LMAO!!! That thread is awesome. I just don't get being a brand fanboy. I mean unless you work there and you depend on that company but otherwise holy hell! Or I guess if you were involved in the R&D of a product. Getting so butt hurt because some corporation made something a little better than some other corporation is hilarious.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Honestly, I'm ashamed to own a car from the same brand as those guys. I have never seen a crowd like that and I have been on plenty of forums. Subaru, Dodge, Chevy..

The basic concept that the folks over there have a hard time with it this:
When Chevy puts out a new Camaro, it is designed to beat the current Mustang. Why release it otherwise? Just keep working on it until it's better. Same with Ford making a new Mustang. Why would the make a new one that can't beat the current Camaro?

Just that logic alone tells me the 2016 Camaro will beat the 2016 Mustang. Then, sooner or later, Ford will come out with a Mustang that will beat the (then)current Camaro.

The only exception, is the latest Mustang, because Ford eventually had to go to IRS, and that adds weight no matter what. The Mustang fans have to suck it up with regards to weight. IRS is better, and worth it. The rest of the car is great. Looks like a mustang, solid engine choices, very nice interior, etc. I don't like everything, but I don't like everything in the Camaro either.

If you like the Mustang, buy one and be happy. Don't worry about another car coming out later that can beat yours (that is guaranteed to happen). Who cares? Enjoy your car, and have fun.

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

You guys need to stop worrying about the MRC weight. I remember someone weighing the difference on the Vette and it was like 3lbs per corner. I don't think MRC is going to add significant weight like some of you guys think.

The only things I see adding significant weight are cooled seats (maybe 20-35 total) and a sunroof. Without those two options, there will probably be a 35-40lb difference between a fully loaded 2ss and a base model 1ss with no options.

I do like that we got real wheels. It's amazing if the Gen6 comes in below the Mustang, adding the fact it has 20x8.5/20x9.5 and the stang has 18x8.5 or 19.8.5 IIRC.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by IOMike

The only things I see adding significant weight are cooled seats (maybe 20-35 total) and a sunroof. Without those two options, there will probably be a 35-40lb difference between a fully loaded 2ss and a base model 1ss with no options.

I do like that we got real wheels. It's amazing if the Gen6 comes in below the Mustang, adding the fact it has 20x8.5/20x9.5 and the stang has 18x8.5 or 19.8.5 IIRC.

Chevy said that the 2016 Malibu leather seats saved something along the lines of 40 pounds from the 2015 model.. I would think something similar was done with Camaro, but that's just guessing.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by Thor142

LMAO!!! That thread is awesome. I just don't get being a brand fanboy. I mean unless you work there and you depend on that company but otherwise holy hell! Or I guess if you were involved in the R&D of a product. Getting so butt hurt because some corporation made something a little better than some other corporation is hilarious.

It is unbelievably bad over on that forum. I don't know why the moderators don't put a stop to it. One of the main contributors lateley has been a guy who was totally stoked about his EcoBoost Mustang. He defended and justified his decistion to the nth degree. The poor guy got so harassed, he ended up trading it in for a 5.0. Why not just let the guy be happy with what he bought? I think the straw that broke the camel's back was when he went to a Mustang event, and folks harrased him in person about having a four banger. It's bad enough getting trolled on an internet forum, but when Mustang owners are trolling other Mustang owners in person at a Mustang event... Well, let's just say, I am glad to be around you guys in the Camaro community.

[Denis]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

The basic concept that the folks over there have a hard time with it this:
When Chevy puts out a new Camaro, it is designed to beat the current Mustang. Why release it otherwise? Just keep working on it until it's better. Same with Ford making a new Mustang. Why would the make a new one that can't beat the current Camaro?

Just that logic alone tells me the 2016 Camaro will beat the 2016 Mustang. Then, sooner or later, Ford will come out with a Mustang that will beat the (then)current Camaro.

The only exception, is the latest Mustang, because Ford eventually had to go to IRS, and that adds weight no matter what. The Mustang fans have to suck it up with regards to weight. IRS is better, and worth it. The rest of the car is great. Looks like a mustang, solid engine choices, very nice interior, etc. I don't like everything, but I don't like everything in the Camaro either.

If you like the Mustang, buy one and be happy. Don't worry about another car coming out later that can beat yours (that is guaranteed to happen). Who cares? Enjoy your car, and have fun.

is that logic?!?! get outta here with that!

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

It is unbelievably bad over on that forum. I don't know why the moderators don't put a stop to it. One of the main contributors lateley has been a guy who was totally stoked about his EcoBoost Mustang. He defended and justified his decistion to the nth degree. The poor guy got so harassed, he ended up trading it in for a 5.0. Why not just let the guy be happy with what he bought? I think the straw that broke the camel's back was when he went to a Mustang event, and folks harrased him in person about having a four banger. It's bad enough getting trolled on an internet forum, but when Mustang owners are trolling other Mustang owners in person at a Mustang event... Well, let's just say, I am glad to be around you guys in the Camaro community.

Yeah, because nobody on this site ever beats up on the V6 owners. just wait until the turbo four is available, the V8 Camaro guys will have a field day!

I agree, M6G is a train wreck which seems to be a result of little or no moderation. Of course, over-moderation is also an issue on other forums I visit, so I guess they have elected to let people have their say over there whether it is opinion, speculation our outright falsehood.

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Honestly, I'm ashamed to own a car from the same brand as those guys. I have never seen a crowd like that and I have been on plenty of forums. Subaru, Dodge, Chevy..

Didn't you get banned from over there? Quite an accomplishment and might account for your hate of the site, don't you think?

[xgnxs]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

The basic concept that the folks over there have a hard time with it this:
When Chevy puts out a new Camaro, it is designed to beat the current Mustang. Why release it otherwise? Just keep working on it until it's better. Same with Ford making a new Mustang. Why would the make a new one that can't beat the current Camaro?

Just that logic alone tells me the 2016 Camaro will beat the 2016 Mustang. Then, sooner or later, Ford will come out with a Mustang that will beat the (then)current Camaro.

Apparently they didn't get your memo since the brand new mustang can't outperform the current camaro!

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by xgnxs

Apparently they didn't get your memo since the brand new mustang can't outperform the current camaro!

It can't? Or are you only speaking to the 1LE packaged Camaro versus the PP packaged GT? Otherwise, the new Mustang beat the old Camaro across the board from everything I've seen/read.