[13vertss]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Need to pay off my 14 Silverado first. Gonna shoot for late next summer but most likely have to wait until spring 2017 :( . Not selling the truck either its the best one I've ever owned.


What's making the new gts weigh 100 lbs+ more loaded? Gm lists 1ss and 2ss as like 30 lbs different. I could see a sunroof and optional stereo adding another 20 or so. Where's the extra 50 lbs coming from on the loaded mustangs ?

The 100lbs is both the premium and PP package together. The premium only adds about 40lbs, while the PP adds about 60-70 lbs.

[crysalis_01]

What about the question within this threads original question?

GT350 is out for MY 2015. 2016, for the masses. The coming GT500 is a industry non-secret. So, let's say GT500 hits the streets in MY 2018, with some extra track cred over its last iteration due to what will have no doubt have been learned developing GT350. Camaro launches for MY 2016.

Perhaps we'll see a hi-po Camaro in MY 2017. GT350 Will still be out and about and GT500 Will be right around the corner.

Which target does GM choose to engage?

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

For 1 a base GT comes with no spare, 18x8 wheels puney 235/50 tires and smaller brakes. Add the 20" wheels, 265mm tires, spare and full interior options and I'm sure it gets up there. Or on a GTPP add the 19" wheels, MASSIVE Brembro brakes, coolers, different suspension parts, and a full premium interior with all boxes checked and it's going to add a good bit of weight as well.

With the SS the only things a 1SS doesn't have vs a 2SS is HUD, 4 pack gauge's, the stereo system, leather and a few more odds and ends in the interior. You'll notice there is nothing on the outside and nothing mechanically different of the SS vs the GT trims. Wheels/tires, brakes, suspension, no spare ect all the same plus adding a 1LE option actually pulls weight OUT of the car. The SS just has more standard options vs the GT and that's why it doesn't gain much weight when going to the 2SS.

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

The 100lbs is both the premium and PP package together. The premium only adds about 40lbs, while the PP adds about 60-70 lbs.

Thanks i totally forgot about the base gt not having any brakes. It has always been this way last few years anyway....brain fart.

Wondering if chevy is going to do something similar this time...the standard 13.6/13.3 rotors are a bit on the small side. That or its a sign the car weighs under 3700lbs.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

What about the question within this threads original question?

GT350 is out for MY 2015. 2016, for the masses. The coming GT500 is a industry non-secret. So, let's say GT500 hits the streets in MY 2018, with some extra track cred over its last iteration due to what will have no doubt have been learned developing GT350. Camaro launches for MY 2016.

Perhaps we'll see a hi-po Camaro in MY 2017. GT350 Will still be out and about and GT500 Will be right around the corner.

Which target does GM choose to engage?

Well last time it was...
2012 zl1
2013 1le
2014 z28

I really dont know for sure what will happen.

If i had to guess this time around things are a bit different than in 2009/10.

1le type handling package first thing (since handling is so big now) either for 2016 or 2017 at the latest.

zl1 or z28 with lt4 in 2017 or 2018

NA track monster z28 type car...dont know if it will happen. dont know if it wil be a good business decision looking at last time etc. Plus if they want to stay na nothing is avaliable right now with the ls7 gone....an updated ls7 would be amazing but have heard nothing about it.

I suppose a massaged lt1 could compete with the 5.2...but an updated ls7 would really be something. If they build an na track monster I would guess it will be the last produced (because of the engine problem). But maybe not if the gt350 makes a name for itself/is successful. GM could get something going quicker...

I really dont know what will happen so many possibilities lol

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Thanks i totally forgot about the base gt not having any brakes. It has always been this way last few years anyway....brain fart.

Wondering if chevy is going to do something similar this time...the standard 13.6/13.3 rotors are a bit on the small side. That or its a sign the car weighs under 3700lbs.

I think its a good sign that the car got lighter but not under 3700lbs (allthough that would be bad ass). Look at it this way, the ATS Coupe V6 gets 12.6" rotors with 4 piston calipers on the front with 1 piston for the rear. This ironically is the exact same size that comes on the I4/V6 Camaro. The ATS-V gets 14.5" Rotors with 6 piston calipers up front and it looks like the rear brakes are the same on the 6th gen SS. The 5th gen SS has 14" front and 14.4" rear with 4 piston calipers front and rear. I'm sure GM wouldn't let the 5th gen out brake the 6th gen. That's a confirmation right there that the car lost a lot of weight. Its doubtful you could put smaller brakes on a car and get better braking with out shedding a lot of weight when both calipers are very similar.

[VADER SS L99]

I would be very surprised if we saw another Z28 anytime soon. A ZL1 however could be here for the 2017 MY. People will try to compare the ZL1 with GT350 but I think it will be two different classes of cars. The GT350 is a NA track oriented car. The ZL1 is made to do everything good. Cruising, drag strip, and road course. Then there is the fact it will most likely have a 8 speed auto option, supercharged LT4 and have a base MSRP of $60k. Two different types of cars. GT500 and Hellcat will be the ZL1's competition. I think the GT350 will be in a class of its own for a while kinda like the BOSS was. Mags might compare a performance pack SS to a GT350 but I don't think that would be ideally fair. Same goes if they compare a ZL1 with GT350. Don't think it would be fair for the GT350 for some aspects of the test. Will probably see a GT350R vs C7 Z51 and again not ideal. Kinda like when there was no Camaro and we saw GT500 vs Corvette test. Way too unfair for the GT500. Two different classes of cars. GT350 will be in its own bracket for a while. Maybe another 5 years.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

What about the question within this threads original question?

GT350 is out for MY 2015. 2016, for the masses. The coming GT500 is a industry non-secret. So, let's say GT500 hits the streets in MY 2018, with some extra track cred over its last iteration due to what will have no doubt have been learned developing GT350. Camaro launches for MY 2016.

Perhaps we'll see a hi-po Camaro in MY 2017. GT350 Will still be out and about and GT500 Will be right around the corner.

Which target does GM choose to engage?

The ZL1 is old and really looking outdated in terms of strightline speed. It should come first. The GT350R is answering the gen5 Z/28 that is relatively new

[khell86]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

The ZL1 is old and really looking outdated in terms of strightline speed. It should come first. The GT350R is answering the gen5 Z/28 that is relatively new

Yeah but the regular GT350 could be as fast or faster than the ZL1. So where does that leave the GT500 and what does GM do to challenge that car?

I can pretty much guarantee we see Magneride on the GT500 as a package now that its available on the GT350.

[Bosse'sBoss]

I completely agree with these comments, I think the 2016 SS with the MRC and a similar 1LE package: squared 285's tires, wider wheels, stiffer swaybars & springs, and with Competition or Recaro seats could beat the GT350, but for the GT350 R there will be a need for a new Z28 to be able to beat it or a Stingray ZR1/Z06.

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

The 2016 SS with MRC is going to be somewhere between Mustang GTPP and GT350 on the track. MRC is some amazing stuff. *IF* Chevrolet does a 1LE version, its going to likely be even more hardcore than the current 1LE, considering they are saying the 2016 SS is already as fast or faster than the 1LE.

So the new 2016 1LE (or equivalent...maybe they will just go straight to another new Z/28) will likely give the standard GT350 a good run.

[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by blacks550gt

How do you figure that the alpha chassis is or will be superior to the s550 chassis? I'm looking to possibly get a gt350 in a couple of years, once demand dies down. But if GM takes out a superior product, then I'm open to checking that out.as well.
Don't mean to troll or anything of that sort, it's a legitimate question.

Probably was a mistake that GM shared to FORD the MRC technology for their new GT350 Mustang. But if you read on MT how easy was for the actual 1LE to beat their new 2015 Mustang, and now having a new SS with stock MRC imagine what can a 1LE or Z28 do to the GT350 or GT350 R. I think that GM is moving on the right direction, we already saw what the Stingray can do to the European competition.

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

Probably was a mistake that GM shared to FORD the MRC technology for their new GT350 Mustang. But if you read on MT how easy was for the actual 1LE to beat their new 2015 Mustang, and now having a new SS with stock MRC imagine what can a 1LE or Z28 do to the GT350 or GT350 R. I think that GM is moving on the right direction, we already saw what the Stingray can do to the European competition.

GM does not own MRC tech, so they did not give it to Ford. Ford, GM and others license that tech for use in their cars. Yes, I know Delphi developed the MRC tech when GM used to own it, but those days are long gone.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by ztwentypoop

GM does not own MRC tech, so they did not give it to Ford. Ford, GM and others license that tech for use in their cars. Yes, I know Delphi developed the MRC tech when GM used to own it, but those days are long gone.

What were they saying in the past about mrc etc?

Non stop bashing and excuses. Now they are using it and it has nothing to do with gm and is no big deal.

They are also using irs now. Funny.

But if we ever go ohc it will be top headline. Bashing for days. Victory chants. You name it.
Even though Cadillac invented ohc and gm already has ohc engines.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

What were they saying in the past about mrc etc?

Non stop bashing and excuses. Now they are using it and it has nothing to do with gm and is no big deal.

They are also using irs now. Funny.

But if we ever go ohc it will be top headline. Bashing for days. Victory chants. You name it.
Even though Cadillac invented ohc and gm already has ohc engines.

The first OHC car was the 1902 Maudslay. The first DOHC car was the 1912 Peugeot.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

The first OHC was the 1902 Maudslay. The first DOHC was the 1912 Peugeot.

That's what it says on Wikipedia.