[Coyotekiller]

Originally Posted by midnighter

Fatal auto accidents can happen in anything you drive.

[Avenging Orange]

Though I agree 'shit happens'........for it to go on as long as it did is what gets my goat. And even more recent, I believe (dont quote me) 2000-2004 Crown Vics also had 'exploding' gas tank issues. I know because our entire fleet of police cars had to go to Ford to have a brace or plate installed. Apparently, in a rear end collisons, as the tank was pushed forward, it made contact with some, either suspension or body bolts, thus rupturing the tank. We (at least a large number of us) realize these are man made vehicles.......as are planes, trains, busses, bicycles, skate boards, etc. They break, usually at the most inopportune times. And sometimes bad things happen. But knowing a problem exsist and not acknowledging it, and/or at least making some kind of effort to correct it, IMO, is inexcusable.
But, I, you, all of us, still buy cars, still get on planes, usually with our heads up our asses, brains in our smart phones, believing the world is right and nothing will happen to us. Aint gonna happen. We are an imperfect race in an imperfect world. Ok, thats the beer talking I'll stop while I'm still making sense

[yzrider58]

There was once a website called flamingfords.com. I guess they probably got sued into taking it down. Crown Victorias to this day have the same fire issues and many cops have been injured or killed because of the crown vic. They even installed a fire suppression system in the crown vic to combat the problem.

[Obzen]

Haha. The crown Vic's. Back up into a bush and kaboooom!

[KXRM]

This is not news, all auto manufactures determine if it's worth the recall based on the risk of lawsuits. Also if you look at history, the media blew up (pun intended) the controversy over the pinto. There weren't as many deaths as the media would make you think. I still believe Ford should be held responsible, but just as responsible as anyone else who manufactures a defective vehicle.

[Kiss My SS]

Originally Posted by coloeb

Do me a huge favor and stop putting words in my mouth. I never said ford sux, I said these actions are the reason I won't do business with them. They had a problem that could cause death and chose to deal with the lawsuits rather than fix the problem. Huge lack of moral fiber, and a cowardousness I refuse to subsidise with profits.

What do you want Ford to do?, recall 45 year old Mustangs?, now that would be funny but if thats the case some other manufacturers including Chevrolet better get in line too!

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Kiss My SS

Dont forget about the good ole Corvair!!

The corvair was later proven in a government investigation just as safe or even safer as any other small car of the same time period.
Although many still persist in the myth the Corvair was discontinued because of safety it was not. It is Ironic because it was driven out of the market by the Ford Mustang, that was cheaper to produce and had better performance. Which turned out to be more dangerous than the Corvair was.

Originally Posted by 11vert w&o

And Chevy / GMC side saddle fuel tanks. They all do it.

And if you remember I think it was NBC that rigged the tanks to explode in their "tests".

Originally Posted by nighttowl

I had a 67 mustang with a 390 in it for many years. the gas tank is actually the trunk floor. it was like that for several years that i am aware of, and there were stories of the car catching fire in an accident. i believe the fix for it was to weld in sheet metal behind the back seat seal it off, i did not do it though.

Pintos were the same way and had no bulkhead either between the trunk and passenger compartment.

Many GM cars of the same era had their gas tanks in the same location but they were under the trunk floor therefore not as much a safety hazard.

[shrinkdoc]

Originally Posted by coloeb

Do me a huge favor and stop putting words in my mouth. I never said ford sux, I said these actions are the reason I won't do business with them. They had a problem that could cause death and chose to deal with the lawsuits rather than fix the problem. Huge lack of moral fiber, and a cowardousness I refuse to subsidise with profits.

Yeh...but wasn't that almost 50 years ago when the car was made. The ones who designed the car and made the decisions are probably all dead. So what is your real point?

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Wicked 6

Before we go all "Ford Sucks!" with this, let me tell you what's TRULY dangerous: the 04-06 GTOs. I know...I had one. The gas tank is basically right behind you, moved into the trunk. Yeah, gallons upon gallons of 93 octane just waiting to blow...

The GTO was discontinued in 2007 because GM couldn't get it to pass modern safety tests....so before going off on Ford for old-school mistakes, maybe you should share some hatred for GM for mistakes made less than 10 years ago?

That is all terribly inaccurate on all counts.

Originally Posted by Trevorw24

ALL companies deal with risk versus reward, it's not just Ford.

Some more ethically than others.

[shrinkdoc]

A 36 Ford coupe had worse safety flaws than any mustang. Would I like to buy a 36 Ford? You are darn tooten. Go back to any car manufacturer all the way up to the 50s and I bet they still were less safe than a 66 Mustang. Its called live and learn, and build upon mistakes. Its also called progress.

[shrinkdoc]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

The corvair was later proven in a government investigation just as safe or even safer as any other small car of the same time period.
Although many still persist in the myth the Corvair was discontinued because of safety it was not. It is Ironic because it was driven out of the market by the Ford Mustang, that was cheaper to produce and had better performance. Which turned out to be more dangerous than the Corvair was.




And if you remember I think it was NBC that rigged the tanks to explode in their "tests".



Pintos were the same way and had no bulkhead either between the trunk and passenger compartment.

Many GM cars of the same era had their gas tanks in the same location but they were under the trunk floor therefore not as much a safety hazard.

Yes we also came to find that the old VW Beatle was far worse than the Corvair due to the light front end continuing to go straight when you turn the wheels. Funny how Nader did not pick on VW. I saw a VW flip and roll right in front of me because of this. Years ago he was tail gateing me so he decides I am not going fast enough so he steps in it and whips around me. Problem is when he whipped in front and cut right the front end kept sliding straight he lost control and it flipped. It made me let out a big laugh. Went up and turned around to see him standing next to he overturned car in the ditch.

[shrinkdoc]

Originally Posted by shrinkdoc

Yes we also came to find that the old VW Beatle was far worse than the Corvair due to the light front end continuing to go straight when you turn the wheels. Funny how Nader did not pick on VW. I saw a VW flip and roll right in front of me because of this. Years ago he was tail gateing me so he decides I am not going fast enough so he steps in it and whips around me. Problem is when he whipped in front and cut right the front end kept sliding straight he lost control and it flipped. It made me let out a big laugh. Went up and turned around to see him standing next to he overturned car in the ditch.

I always thought corvair got the shaft.

http://archive.org/details/Corvairi1960

[nester7929]

It's definitely a dick move by Ford, but I wouldn't say this kind of decision making was exclusive to them. There weren't any meaningful safety regulations in the 60's, so you saw this type of thing from every manufacturer.

[DanSS24]

We learn from our mistakes and because of automobile technology today, most vehicles are generally considered safe. With all the safety regulations the government puts on automobiles manufacturers now, companies are always testing and trying new technology. A good example of change is the gas tank itself. Most, if not all, gas tanks are made of composite material (plastic if you will). What the OP was concerned about is the process that Ford went about the whole incident. It's his feelings and you gotta respect that.