[collins motorsport]

Originally Posted by GT Premi

"Us?" Do you still live with your parents? Please see my previous post about standing on your own two feet. You keep talking about your dad's accomplishments. What about your own accomplishments? Why not follow his example and get out on your own and make something of yourself outside of the security blanket of working under daddy. Even working your way up the ladder in the family business, you're still hanging on to daddy's coattails for protection from failure. And if that is how you choose to start your adult life, you're selling yourself short. Get out there and be a man. You can do it!

If I still lived with my parents do you really think that I would be buying a 60k car rather than putting a down payment on a house? Us as in my entire family and like I said if you are going sit there and tell me that if you were given the opportunity to stand up and prove yourself (not have it handed to you) and take over a company that's made millions then I will tell you that you are lying. I usually make 1000 to 1200 a week depending if we get rained out or I don't work for some other reason I've been offered 1500 a week sallary by another company and turned it down its not about clinging for protection its about its staying loyal and helping my dad in any way I can because he's nearly 60 with major heart problems and if he got out here and had a heat stroke or heart attack or something on one of the bulldozers because I wasn't here to do it then id never forgive myself.

I've had to deal with that crap my whole life even when i was in high school only making 400 a week during the summer and now that Im older there's a part of me that starting to think that guys older than me like you that have such a problem with me making the money I do working for my dad don't like it just because they didn't make that kind of money at my age and so they think I shouldn't either.

[GT Premi]

Fair enough about your dad's condition. Now back to this thread title...

[BigDan]

Originally Posted by collins motorsport

First off let me thank you for addressing the point of my post rather than just trying to bash me for no good reason. Beyond that im not really worried about have a 9 second street car as I like to go fast just in something other than a straight line. My whole point was that most of the people getting a ZL1 will modify it and I don't see 650 hp being that hard to attain. So why worry so much about the shelby.

With a GT500 you can click off a 9 second pass, change tires and tear up the road course all in the same day. That is what my tuners shop car does, road races on the weekends and drag race on the week nights. A lot has changed since the days of big blocks and 8-71 blowers. Now days you can have a street car that can do everything well like run 9's, get 20mpg+, canyon carve, road race and still pick the kids up from soccer.

No days you can have it all.

[collins motorsport]

Originally Posted by BigDan

With a GT500 you can click off a 9 second pass change tires and tear up the road course all in the same day. That is what my tuners shop car does, road races on the weekends and drag race on the week nights. A lot has changed since the days of big blocks and 8-71 blowers. Now days you can have a street car that can do everything well like run 9's, get 20mpg+, canyon carve, road race and still pick the kids up from soccer.

No days you can have it all.

Yeah Im just not too worried about all that tho, Im only 21 I doubt ill have alot of money to blow on it at frist. I figure Ill pay it off change a few little things, mainly visual at first, then save my money for a year or so and give the aftermarket companies some time to develop some new parts for it and by then I should have the money and the parts should be available to make it competitive with any modded shelby...that are street legal at least.

Nice car btw

[collins motorsport]

Originally Posted by GT Premi

And that, too. I grew up with GM and Ford vehicles in the household. And I'm far from brand loyal, myself. I've owed from BMW 550i Sport to Subaru Justy DL.

Well I can understand and respect that. I've owned a DINAN E46 M3, a Land rover Dicovery (horrible vehicle NEVER buy one), an older Range Rover (also horrible) and a couple of Jeeps (last one had a 400hp V8 conversion),and of course the 67 SS plus had a 69 and 01 Z28, an 87 K5 (I owned it three times AMAZINGLY capable suvs for their age) a 78 C10 and an 87 Suburban on 44" swampers plus a Dodge Ram custom and older Lexus in high school but dad bought me those last two so I don't count them. But there's just something about the feeling that I get in a Camaro that no other vehicle can give me

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by collins motorsport

Technically yes but its the farthest thing from smart. If you ever consider getting a droid...don't. For example the thing it keeps doing today is changing then to the every time I type it.

I know what you are saying. I am sure there is a setting that you can turn off "auto-correct" or something like that.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by BigDan

Now days you can have a street car that can do everything well like run 9's, get 20mpg+, canyon carve, road race and still pick the kids up from soccer.

Yes, yes and yes! I was discussing this with my dad on the phone last night - what a wonderful world we live in. Back then, he assumed the oil crisis of the 70's would bring an end to the muscle/pony cars. Nope. They retain their V8 heritage and added modern suspensions, creature comforts (I like my heated seats) and better-than-you'd-expect fuel economy, all on a working man's salary.

If that doesn't brighten your day, nothing will (you Communist b@stard)

[Rock36]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

exactly the reason the ZL1 had a 2.5sec advantage over the Boss LS on the roadcourse.

I don't agree with that completely. The ZL1 did out power the Boss LS on the straights, but it was also able to apex faster through some of the turns, and performed better under some instances of braking, and pulling more Gs through turns. The article even laid it out in those nice charts. That 2.5 sec advantage didn't just hinge on ZL1 simply out-powering the Boss 302 LS.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/.../photo_14.html

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Not if it can't get traction. Recall the MotorTrend comparison in 2010: GT500 12.8 sec @ 115.3 mph, SS 12.9 sec @ 110.7 mph. The trap speed shows the 100+ HP advantage the GT500 had, but still only a tenth of a second faster!?

aren't ya a little late on the discussion?

[rez333]

@collins motorsport: LOL!! I get ya mate. I think people here have been too hard on you. Yes, your grammar isn't the best, but it's a lot better than many people here who still don't know the difference between "there", "their" and "they're" and can't spell "loser".

I also get you staying with your dad's company, and your dad getting a bigger motor. Heck that would be considered "normal" I think for someone who competes for money.

What comes from experience and age is the art of rhetoric: getting your point across without repetition.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by Rock36

I don't agree with that completely. The ZL1 did out power the Boss LS on the straights, but it was also able to apex faster through some of the turns, and performed better under some instances of braking, and pulling more Gs through turns. The article even laid it out in those nice charts. That 2.5 sec advantage didn't just hinge on ZL1 simply out-powering the Boss 302 LS.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/.../photo_14.html

and yet on average the Boss pulled more lateral gs than the zl1 did.

The ZL1 out powered the Boss.

The test should have been 2012 GT500 vs ZL1 either way.

[rez333]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

and yet on average the Boss pulled more lateral gs than the zl1 did.

The ZL1 out powered the Boss.

The test should have been 2012 GT500 vs ZL1 either way.

The GT500 does better than the Boss for lateral Gs (weird but true). From my limited track experience, I think it's clear that the Boss lost because of the brakes, which is strange because the Boss has a brake cooling kit. Then again, so does the ZL1.

In the Grand Am, the FR Mustang that won is basically a stripped down Boss - same brake calipers, same cooling, but using different brake pads and different brake fluid. Apparently pads and fluids are the only things that is needed to make a Boss competition ready. In other words, it doesn't need stronger calipers or stronger rear brakes to be fixed.

The ZL1 on the other hand, comes with stronger calipers out of the box, but presumably it doesn't have race-ready pads or Dot4 brake fluid either. Maybe the stronger calipers are enough to give this mammoth the braking edge over the Boss?

I think it's very clear that there is no chance that the ZL1 will beat the 2013 GT500; the ZL1 is out-gunned power-wise and is matched in handling (with the 2013 GT500 electronic dampers); UNLESS Ford has not improved the 2013 GT500 brakes. I have not read anything yet that indicates anything has been done about the GT500 brakes, but my money is on the brakes being the deciding factor.

In other words, people are out to lunch if they think that the ZL1's Magnetic Ride Suspension is the deciding factor on the track. They won't make a lick of difference on a track against a car with track-tuned suspension settings. No, in this race, it's all about the brakes.

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by rez333

The GT500 does better than the Boss for lateral Gs (weird but true). From my limited track experience, I think it's clear that the Boss lost because of the brakes, which is strange because the Boss has a brake cooling kit. Then again, so does the ZL1.

In the Grand Am, the FR Mustang that won is basically a stripped down Boss - same brake calipers, same cooling, but using different brake pads and different brake fluid. Apparently pads and fluids are the only things that is needed to make a Boss competition ready. In other words, it doesn't need stronger calipers or stronger rear brakes to be fixed.

The ZL1 on the other hand, comes with stronger calipers out of the box, but presumably it doesn't have race-ready pads or Dot4 brake fluid either. Maybe the stronger calipers are enough to give this mammoth the braking edge over the Boss?

I think it's very clear that there is no chance that the ZL1 will beat the 2013 GT500; the ZL1 is out-gunned power-wise and is matched in handling (with the 2013 GT500 electronic dampers); UNLESS Ford has not improved the 2013 GT500 brakes. I have not read anything yet that indicates anything has been done about the GT500 brakes, but my money is on the brakes being the deciding factor.

In other words, people are out to lunch if they think that the ZL1's Magnetic Ride Suspension is the deciding factor on the track. They won't make a lick of difference on a track against a car with track-tuned suspension settings. No, in this race, it's all about the brakes.

brakes? pshhh!!! all they do is slow you down!

[calbert1999]

The 2013 GT500 is going to smoke the ZL1 timing; If it doesn't I'd say they're not putting that extra 90hp. to proper use. If it was only 25-50hp. I'd say it's all good but 70hp. (+20, over 7k/rpm.) is just too much power to beat.