[stevea]

There we was see, minding our own business see. Speeding see, then the cops pulls us over for no reason see. Then we pissed the cops off see, I just can't understand why they gave you a hard time?

[upflying]

I will reserve judgment here since we are only hearing the OP's version of the events. Without the benefit of internal affairs investigations, judges, juries, attorney's, witness statements, video/audio evidence, denigrating cops is easy to do in any discussion forum. Reading between the lines here, I would reckon two groups of teens driving a Camaro and a Mustang on the freeway were probably engaged in doing something that is not being admitted to by the OP.
Threads like this do nothing to support the image of law enforcement. The LEO isn't here to defend themselves and the hatred gets erroneously and ignorantly perpetuated.
How is it that I have driven on California roads for 40 years and no LEO has ever done this to me?
I will say though that California LEO's specially assigned to traffic enforcement must drive marked (black and white) police cars. While plain wrapper or unmarked cars can make traffic stops, the officers cannot be assigned to the duties of traffic enforcement. Here is the law..

40800. (a) A traffic officer on duty for the exclusive or main
purpose of enforcing the provisions of Division 10 (commencing with
Section 20000) or 11 (commencing with Section 21000) shall wear a
full distinctive uniform, and if the officer while on duty uses a
motor vehicle, it must be painted a distinctive color specified by
the commissioner.

[garcmol]

Sorry, being a Cop and having had a 17-18 year old son, I'm skeptical this is the entire story. And you not showing your hands when told to do so, is the brief half-second so many officers have lost their lives. That's the half-second of contimplation many criminals have taken to shoot the officer, or run him over, etc.

Excuse my sterotypical view of your story. However, some cops are pricks. But you meet pricks at Home Depot. What do you do in that case? Complain to management. If you feel that you have a complaint - voice it, but to the appropriate agency.

[Moriartii]

Originally Posted by SILVERHAWK

Man, see thats what I'm talking about You don't freakin know if it was an unjustified power trip or not. You weren't there unless you are God you don't freakin know s---. Freakin cop bashin!!!! its gotta be all the cops fault he overreacted on everything. Its like me saying all people from Quebec are a--holes--- well I've been there a few times when I lived in Albany never was treated right (until you pull out US currency) especially when they found out you were from the US and when you come to the States you all drive like s---. Now how do you like that? not very nice is it?


I can tell you from a professional stand point I have pulled my gun for less. If I thought it was some sort of failure to stop on command/ police signal and then you don't listen to all my commands on top of it damn right I'm pulling my gun especially if I'm alone and three people in the car----Its called survival against the idiots in this world.

You have pulled your gun for less?! Seriously? I am not a cop basher and I have great respect for the office of law enforcement and I have even done military law enforcement in situations knowing full well that other parties were fully armed and potentially dangerous, but that statement right there shows if pulling your weapon for less than a kid failing to hear your command, shows you have lost control of the situation.

Edited to add if outnumbered I can see then see your point Silver.

Cheers
K

[upflying]

Originally Posted by garcmol

I'm skeptical this is the entire story.

Totally agree. Experienced cops have an old saying, "don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see".

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

have you never been a cop before? i guessed not.. you realize how much BS cops have to put up with all day long. 9 out of 10 people they pull over are going to lie to the cop.. they see some kids at night and theres a good chance that the kids are doing something bad or have some kind of drug on them and in cally lol thats a good chance. not saying this is the case every time. i bet any money if that was a 35 year old man this would never have happen... some cops are dicks, but what are you going to do about it? file a complaint ? when he didn't even get a ticket... they would probably take that complaint and wipe there ass with it.

the truth is, i bet that scaring tactic has worked in the passed to tell if somebody is hiding something

Wow, just....WOW. Were these fine, upstanding officers forced into accepting their jobs and all of the responsibilities it entails?? They signed up for it and should've known what they were getting into when choosing that profession. What about the 9 out of 10 people that get pulled over by ass hat cops like these?? I totally respect the police and the job they do, but I don't respect cops that were bullied as kids and now use their authority to vent that frustration out onto others, such as the OP and his friends....

[paslag]

Originally Posted by xpanda305x

...and they pointed it out...why do you have clear eyes , air fresheners..

..

Having clear eyes and air fresheners is a crime in the states?

We all know what kind of attitude an 18 year old with is friends can have (we all been there...), but I don't think pointing a gun at there face is the way to ''teach them respect''. In fact I think that will just make hate police even more. Personnally. I don't hate police. My broter in law is a cop and I have a few friends in police too. But sometimes they tell me story about how other cops act that just pisses me off. They act like they're ''above'' everybody. Well guess what, they sit on the crapper like everybody else...Someday, acting like that will come back at them. I'm just happy my friends are'nt like that.

[wrbear]

Well we have one side of the story. We should have closure when you file a complaint? Did I see "Mustang" on the OP's post? Maybe he and his friends are having good laugh right now.

[upflying]

Originally Posted by xpanda305x

ive gotten pulled over for taking 3 seconds to move on a green light...reason why?

The "why" is drunk driving. One indication of a drunk driver is failing to move when the light turns green.

[CamaroCK]

Originally Posted by Sevn86

If they gave your friend a ticket for speeding ask for the radar report or whatever its called...with out that i think the judge can drop his ticket...I could be wrong but its worth a try. I just finished up everything for a ticket i got like two months ago...I was going 90 in a 70...State trooper came out of no where...Im never speeding again.

Yeah, I heard that. We are going to look into it.

Originally Posted by SILVERHAWK

Look, I'm on the job, but I'm not going to condone illegal or unprofessional conduct by any other LEO. While I read the OP's statement over again I can pick out at least one thing that may or may not have set off red flags for the original officer to adjust his conduct a little. The fact that the OP and his friends did not stop right away ---how long did they go before they pulled over? 17-18 yrs olds--- did you start moving around alot and getting excited that a cop may be behind you-- maybe looking back at the officer thru the back window and then not stopping may have given him reason to think you were trying to hide something? Windows being rolled down---are they trying to throw something out the window to prevent discovery? He obviously thought something may have been up cause it sounds like he called for back up... to get 6 cops there. Did you give them flippy attitude cause you thought you didn't do anything wrong? unfortunately he gave you an order (you didn't hear) can be perceived as being noncompliant.. adds to bad perceptions about the incident. Those things being said its impossible to know what lines if any were crossed here without both sides of the incident being able to present their story. Without knowing the officer's articuable facts its impossible to say that there were any civil rights violations (illegal search and seizure). As far as the comments they made towards you thats a whole different issue. Was there attitude going back and forth? probably... that can be addressed, but unless the officer has a long IA record its usually just a reprimand for unprofessional conduct-- to be honest. Alot of their comments sound like they were messing with you... not that its right. So go ahead and file a complaint if you feel violated.. see where it goes. I don't want bad cops out there any more than you do. If there's a pattern of thiis kind of thing with this officer it will get dealt with. No officer likes to get their a-- reamed by IA. AND ONCE AGAIN I WILL STATE THIS DOESN'T BELONG IN THIS PART OF THE FORUM BECAUSE IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH A CAMARO?!?!

I agree with what you said about them following us and the open windows, and me failing to hear the first time, but I can say that we were totally respectful from the beginning, and followed whatever they said. The only point that I might have come off a little "disrespectful" is when he made a comment about my jeans..(I really don't care) but even then i was talking very calmly and with much respect.
But I understand that when a cop first pulls someone over, they are more afraid then anyone else, not knowing what they are approaching at that moment. Just after they searched us etc. I don't see why they needed to continue with being so disrespectful.

Originally Posted by Never Satisfied

If you aren't embellishing the story and it happened just as you say, I would most definitely file a report.

If I missed anything in the story its more of them harassing me rather than me saying/doing anything suspicious or wrong.

Originally Posted by AFblueSS

If you were in a Camaro, this never would have happened.

They probably can't get any respect out of their own punk-ass teenagers at home, so they project their insecurities and frustrations out on everyone else's kids. Saw it many times in the military with older NCOs vs. younger troops.

You've watched enough Law & Order, I'm sure...File a report. You have RIGHTS.

I know huh? I should have driven that day

[CamaroCK]

Originally Posted by garcmol

Sorry, being a Cop and having had a 17-18 year old son, I'm skeptical this is the entire story. And you not showing your hands when told to do so, is the brief half-second so many officers have lost their lives. That's the half-second of contimplation many criminals have taken to shoot the officer, or run him over, etc.

Excuse my sterotypical view of your story. However, some cops are pricks. But you meet pricks at Home Depot. What do you do in that case? Complain to management. If you feel that you have a complaint - voice it, but to the appropriate agency.

I totally agree with your point of view, but i can assure you this was the entire story. It might not be pin-point exact but I did not miss any parts that we might have done to piss off the officer, or anything disorderly.
However I did miss some parts about them yelling at me for "asking stupid questions" after i politely asked about the searching.

Originally Posted by upflying

I will reserve judgment here since we are only hearing the OP's version of the events. Without the benefit of internal affairs investigations, judges, juries, attorney's, witness statements, video/audio evidence, denigrating cops is easy to do in any discussion forum. Reading between the lines here, I would reckon two groups of teens driving a Camaro and a Mustang on the freeway were probably engaged in doing something that is not being admitted to by the OP.
Threads like this do nothing to support the image of law enforcement. The LEO isn't here to defend themselves and the hatred gets erroneously and ignorantly perpetuated.
How is it that I have driven on California roads for 40 years and no LEO has ever done this to me?
I will say though that California LEO's specially assigned to traffic enforcement must drive marked (black and white) police cars. While plain wrapper or unmarked cars can make traffic stops, the officers cannot be assigned to the duties of traffic enforcement. Here is the law..

40800. (a) A traffic officer on duty for the exclusive or main
purpose of enforcing the provisions of Division 10 (commencing with
Section 20000) or 11 (commencing with Section 21000) shall wear a
full distinctive uniform, and if the officer while on duty uses a
motor vehicle, it must be painted a distinctive color specified by
the commissioner.

Thank you for the info. I will research further upon that. And I would have admitted to anything we were doing, but honestly the most we were going was 5-7mph over the limit. But if I was in your position reading this I would think the same, so i understand.

Originally Posted by stevea

There we was see, minding our own business see. Speeding see, then the cops pulls us over for no reason see. Then we pissed the cops off see, I just can't understand why they gave you a hard time?

I don't see what we did to piss them off so much to a point where he wants to take me in just because he can?

[wrbear]

Originally Posted by Icandrivejustnotlegally

A cop threw his sireiens on while I had both headphones in so I didn't hear him. He than proceeded to run the cop car on sidewalk in front of me, and pull his gun on me. Mind you I was 13, and was wearing shorts and T-Shirt I couldn't be hiding anything. He proceeded to give me a pat down threaten to take me in, call my mom, etc. Than at the end says he got the "wrong person" not a sorry or anything

You are serious? While you "had both headphones in"? I woulda gotten the red ass too. That stunt kills peeps like me. Could you have heard an ambulance coming your way? Not sure if it's against the law there but it is here in Houston Texas.

[SILVERHAWK]

Originally Posted by Moriartii

You have pulled your gun for less?! Seriously? I am not a cop basher and I have great respect for the office of law enforcement and I have even done military law enforcement in situations knowing full well that other parties were fully armed and potentially dangerous, but that statement right there shows if pulling your weapon for less than a kid failing to hear your command, shows you have lost control of the situation.

Edited to add if outnumbered I can see then see your point Silver.

Cheers
K

Not that I am going to have a fit and want to continue the debate, come off the base for a minute and come into some of the gang areas or section 8 areas and get the hair flying up the back of your neck then come talk to me. Just cause I said pulled out my gun doesn't mean I have jammed it in anyones face for less, just means I may have it out by my side until I have made sure I'm not in immediate danger... especially when dealing with multiple occupants and there's a lot of movement in the car.... never have lost control... just making sure I go home every night to my kids.

I mean no disrespect towards Military law enforcement especially when I am in an Air Force town. Their officers appear to be very professional and well trained..plus practice safe tactics.. BUT they are in a different world on Base from my experience. The MP's here at least don't come out in the "trenches" with us. Military means a good chance of being armed, but then again they know who has them and who doesn't----its a different experience when you know who has the firearms. plus if you are supposed to "carry" then by all accounts you have the firearm for a legitimate purpose and probably won't be blowing my head off with it. NOT KNOWING is a huge battle in itself.. My area is slowly being overrun with a gang presence. The local university pulls most of its students from the major metropolitan areas---DC, BALTIMORE, PHILLY, NYC, and TRENTON/CAMDEN. Those people are bringing in their friends from the inner city areas who unfortunately have a different agenda it seems then getting an education. Thats something that the military here is not dealing with head on because they are separated in their own area. These people are not out to get caught for anything no matter how small the crime and they will shoot first and deal with the consequences later.

Here's a real world example of gun out for less. I stop a car for running a stop sign. its 2 am on an empty road, 4 occupants, as I walk up to the car the left rear (23yr old) passenger is trying to hide "something" behind his right foot--his hand is just coming up from the floorboard. Out comes the piece, everybody hands up, back up called, I order him out, guess what--- he was trying to hide an open Bud Lite cause he didn't realize its not illegal in our State to have an open container. I couldn't even arrest him. now do you think I lost control? It just as easily could have been a "STREET HOWITZER" (sawedoff shotgun)

[CamaroCK]

Originally Posted by SILVERHAWK

Not that I am going to have a fit and want to continue the debate, come off the base for a minute and come into some of the gang areas or section 8 areas and get the hair flying up the back of your neck then come talk to me. Just cause I said pulled out my gun doesn't mean I have jammed it in anyones face for less, just means I may have it out by my side until I have made sure I'm not in immediate danger... especially when dealing with multiple occupants and there's a lot of movement in the car.... never have lost control... just making sure I go home every night to my kids.