[BeeHappy]

Agree with you Steppenwolf, with 7$ a gallon in France ...
For you in USA a Camaro (like Mustang) is a "normal" car, V6,V8...
I explain: a Camaro cost me more than a Nissan 370,BMW,Audi ... TAXES Problem !
my used camaro 2LT/RS cost 26000$ + american taxes +transport ...ok but arrived to France it's 10% taxes (car price +american taxes+transport=A ) and finally 19.6% ( A+customs+import taxes) (I have paid taxes of taxes)
not finish ! : homologation :6000$ + licence card:1500$ ...and a new environmental taxes (since 2009 for CO2 emmission):3500$
Result : 60000$ for my used 2010 Camaro V6 but it was my dream,my Camaro
here most people in France drive small car (like chevy spark!),a 4 cylinders 2 liters is ...a BIG BLOCK!!!

my dream come true SOON !!! January 6th 2011 !!!!

[arod55]

I was listening to a so called expert this morning, and he stated it's not going to get any better because of the big demand from China he expects it to go over $4.00 dollar a gallon after January. Last time they tried this people drove less and they had an abundance of gas so they lowered the price. Supply & Demand!!!!

[oldfriend]

Originally Posted by Silver Ice

Don't worry, the man who promised change is taking c.are of everything. To bad by the time he is done that's all we will have left in our pockets. Idiot

YEAH , but you forgot that he also promise HOPE IS ON THE WAY ,but he did not said our way , or did he ?

[oldfriend]

Originally Posted by 01pewterz28

Latest reports from CNN is expect $5 by 2012 and it will continue to go up and up

OH , YOU ARE THE ONE THAT STILL LISTEN TO THAT ONE !!!!: sm0:

[oldfriend]

Originally Posted by 427Carl

Ontario Canada north of London....... 120 per litre x 4.54 imperial gallon = $5.45

My car will pull 25-27 mpg on the Imperial gallon.... A good deal is 95-1.00 per litre for us.... its only money

WE DO HAVE OUR OWN GALLON , THANKS !!!

[KeepItGreasey]

I saw $0.80/gal 12-14 years ago.

What happened?

When you raise the price of diesel, you raise the price of EVERYTHING.

Your Camaro was most likely loaded onto a DIESEL burning truck which drove it to a big lot, and was then unloaded. Then it was loaded onto a DIESEL train and pulled across the country, and unloaded. Then it was loaded back onto a DIESEL truck and brought to your dealer.

[427Carl]

WE DO HAVE OUR OWN GALLON , THANKS !!!



lets do it again $1.20 per liter x 3.78 U.S. gallon = $ 4.53 per U.S. gallon OK?

[KeepItGreasey]

Originally Posted by 427Carl

WE DO HAVE OUR OWN GALLON , THANKS !!!



lets do it again $1.20 per liter x 3.78 U.S. gallon = $ 4.53 per U.S. gallon OK?

But you forgot to adjust for the comparison of cost of living between the two countries, the average earned salary, the average working person's commute, and the inflation rate.

Now THAT is how you compare the cost of gasoline.

[427Carl]

Originally Posted by KeepItGreasey

But you forgot to adjust for the comparison of cost of living between the two countries, the average earned salary, the average working person's commute, and the inflation rate.

Now THAT is how you compare the cost of gasoline.

That is interesting... and would it be the same in the U.S. between States as well? It still hurts here at $4.53 (us gal) I am retired and have a 624.00 month pension...

[KeepItGreasey]

Originally Posted by 427Carl

That is interesting... and would it be the same in the U.S. between States as well? It still hurts here at $4.53 (us gal) I am retired and have a 624.00 month pension...

You would have to judge all the states differently as well. We have a BUTTLOAD of refineries in Los Angeles, and some of the highest prices? We don't even get a break because it pretty much costs nothing to transport gasoline to local stations... compared to supplying a state like Wyoming with gasoline.

To me, it will continue hurting for as long as gasoline is above $1.50/gal.

But even when I made $10/hour, I was still able to afford gasoline for a vehicle that got 10mpg.

But it's not about being able to afford it or not.... it's about THEM ripping US off.

[427Carl]

To me, it will continue hurting for as long as gasoline is above $1.50/gal.

But even when I made $10/hour, I was still able to afford gasoline for a vehicle that got 10mpg.

But it's not about being able to afford it or not.... it's about THEM ripping US off.[/QUOTE]


That the answer!! Us getting ripped off!! Notice price went up with Katrina, but not with BP screwing the gulf .. Its all organized there, and here, 427Carl

[Steppenwolf1980]

Well, I think that you don't have to only look at the oil companies alone. There is a huge difference in European and American way of thinking. See, you guys are used to see a car as a naturally and cheap part of your everyday life. A new car costs shit in the United States, so does the petrol (or at least it used to cost shit until a couple of months). The reason for that is that your government won't earn much money with sold cars and gas, but on the other hand they don't need more money, because they don't have to spend it for their citizens like here (e.g. you have to health insure yourself, which is something completely unimaginable over here. When I get hurt, I go to the hospital or the doctor and get cured, without ever seeing a bill for that).

What I am trying to say is that we here also see the car as a necessary part of everyday life, but we never felt it to be cheap. As BeeHappy already told, for the price that you pay for a brandnew LT2 Camaro in the U.S., you'll get here only a tiny grannycar or a small Korean vehicle... Also, there are heavy road taxes here (I pay about 1600 dollars a year for the Camaro), insurance (about 2000 dollars a year full comprehensive cover) and then the gas price. Driving a car isn't cheap anymore and this isn't going to change.

Maybe you guys in the United States are now at the borderline to realize that, too. I understand that it is very hard to accept such drastic changes that affect your prosperity, but since oil is going to go out of stock in a couple of decades, the increasing prices are just a normal result of capitalism. I guess the big problem in the U.S. is not only the change of mind at the population, but also having an alternative to using your car. The public transport's really kind of retarded in most of the U.S. cities, most people don't have a choice but using their own cars to get to work or elsewhere. That whole we-have-no-money-but-gas-is-getting-more-expensive-thing is for sure nothing to have solved within a year or two, right?

[mikeSS]

Originally Posted by Steppenwolf1980

Well, I think that you don't have to only look at the oil companies alone. There is a huge difference in European and American way of thinking. See, you guys are used to see a car as a naturally and cheap part of your everyday life. A new car costs shit in the United States, so does the petrol (or at least it used to cost shit until a couple of months). The reason for that is that your government won't earn much money with sold cars and gas, but on the other hand they don't need more money, because they don't have to spend it for their citizens like here (e.g. you have to health insure yourself, which is something completely unimaginable over here. When I get hurt, I go to the hospital or the doctor and get cured, without ever seeing a bill for that).

What I am trying to say is that we here also see the car as a necessary part of everyday life, but we never felt it to be cheap. As BeeHappy already told, for the price that you pay for a brandnew LT2 Camaro in the U.S., you'll get here only a tiny grannycar or a small Korean vehicle... Also, there are heavy road taxes here (I pay about 1600 dollars a year for the Camaro), insurance (about 2000 dollars a year full comprehensive cover) and then the gas price. Driving a car isn't cheap anymore and this isn't going to change.

Maybe you guys in the United States are now at the borderline to realize that, too. I understand that it is very hard to accept such drastic changes that affect your prosperity, but since oil is going to go out of stock in a couple of decades, the increasing prices are just a normal result of capitalism. I guess the big problem in the U.S. is not only the change of mind at the population, but also having an alternative to using your car. The public transport's really kind of retarded in most of the U.S. cities, most people don't have a choice but using their own cars to get to work or elsewhere. That whole we-have-no-money-but-gas-is-getting-more-expensive-thing is for sure nothing to have solved within a year or two, right?

that is true. but i just hate the fact that we have soooooo much untaped oil here and in other places around the world that we just dont use. i realize that drilling for more oil is only going to help us for so many years. but right now in the world economy we need cheap oil to fully recover. and the world needs us to recover. we are one of the top leaders of the world and we can not fail. we just got tax beaks, if we had cheap oil that would be even better for us and the world

[BeeHappy]

75% here in Europe are diesel car with aproximately 90 hp with 45 mpg average fuel consumption !!!
Is your avenir ? bad time for big V8 , end of Hummer ???