[Number 3]

If you guys think gas is high now, just wait. It may go down some and it may be overpriced for today's actual demand. But do some research and you'll see the sales projections for autos in China and India. So if you believe we can't have a robust economy without cheap gas prices...........hang on it's going to get bumpy.

Today oil is plentiful. It isn't scarce. But with a bit of help from a lot of sources from media, government, investors it seems as if it is. And millions and millions of new drivers in china and India won't help that.

But there is hope. The worlds 4th largest auto market behind china, the US and japan is energy independent. Brasilia usese home grown E100 made from home grown resources. And thisnis a country with almost 200 million people.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we aren't addicted to oil......we're addicted to CHEAP oil.

[2010victoryredss_ron]

$1.28 a LITRE here for 93, that calculates to about $5.12 a gallon.. stop the complaining about prices until you come up here and pay what were paying.. and the majority of the gasoline people in the U.S. are buying is from CANADA. it makes no sense to me, other than the taxes we pay up here. and the prices of our cars are more expensive like montreal2010yellow stated. you guys are lucky to be paying what you are, we can only wish...

[snkeyes069]

Originally Posted by pyr0b0y

$3.23 here in San Francisco....and that's 87!! 91 is $3.63....overkill!!!

Same here in upstate NY. The Camaro, when fully broken in, should get better mileage than my last car (99 Avenger V6). Still, it doesn't make my wallet feel any better.

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

The point isn't so much the affordability, it's the fact that market fundamentals don't support current prices. The rise in oil from about $60 to $90/barrel (about 75 cents a gallon) in just the last 6 months is the result of a combination of bad central bank policy combined with speculators, hedge funds, and other large institutions have cornered many markets (oil just being one of many) on paper without taking delivery of a single drop, making a fortune for doing and producing nothing.

Thank you! This is exactly the problem with not only gas prices, but the economic problems we're facing. Speculators have driven up energy costs which has driven up all economic production costs, making everything more expensive. This is a major reason why economies tanked worldwide in recent years.

Originally Posted by Stex

Everyone but USA drilling in the gulf (read no oil no jobs), no Alaska new drilling (read no oil no jobs), oil shale land put off limits by greens and their hired politicans (read no oil no jobs), no new refineries/nuke plants (read no gas no jobs and no cheap clean power) and guess what the Gov (with no investment/risk) makes more off a gallon of gas than the oil companies.

The US is drilling in the Gulf, and the moratorium only impacted deep water drilling.

That said, even with current levels of drilling, we don't have the refinery capacity we need because oil companies haven't reinvested their profits into building new/upgrading existing refineries. They took record profits from the last few years and rewarded shareholders and speculators. Every time a refinery shuts down (weather, seasonal formula changes, unforeseen accident) the gas prices immediately spike.

Yeah, the rising gas prices annoy me. But, the corruption and profiteering that caused it gets me more annoyed.

[blackknight]

Prices have gone up about 20-25 cents around the holidays by me. They usually hover around between 2.95 and 3.05 for 93 octane. But lately they have been 3.25-3.30.

[TooCool5]

Originally Posted by jrhaus76

I am familiar what costs are involved in shipping. I was just making a comparison that its not THAT expensive to move a large object (your car) from point A to point B at the current gas prices.

Yes, I care about a failing economy

No, I dont have stock in any oil companies.

OK PEOPLE SORRY FOR BEING REALISTIC.

DAMN THESE GAS PRICES

IT SHOULD BE FREE!!!

[upflying]

Gas prices would go down if off-shore drilling and Alaska exploration was allowed. While we are at it, let's increase capacity by building some new refineries. Right now none of that is happening. For now, we depend on the dependable and friendly folks in in the Middle East to satisfy our appetite for crude.
Gas prices are high because of our government, the people you elect.

[IROCanSS]

Originally Posted by INTIMIDAT3R

$2.89/gallon for 89 octane, $2.99/gallon for 91 octane, & $3.09/gallon for 93 octane here in Cedar Falls, Iowa.

Heck, if gas prices go up just a dime, I'm paying an extra $1.90 to fill my tank. Big @#$%ing deal!!! You people who are whining spend more than that on a pack of smokes, bottled water, bran muffins, or your Starbuck's. GET OVER IT!!!

You knew the price going in buying a sports car with less mileage and the possibility of gas prices going up. Deal with it and stop whining like a bunch of @#$%ing titty-babies.

I love you!

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

and so it goes... The very idea of being able to go 380 miles on a mere $56 ($2.99 x 19 gallon tank)... as a a sweet deal.

Furthermore... giving up some bad habits save me more than just money. Hell... I can save time in my gym, less time in court defending myself against tickets, and even (if U are a smoker) less risk of other ailments resulting from Nicotine.

Truth is... I'd rather gas be cheaper.. but a bright-side has to be found in things that we cannot change.

You too

Originally Posted by wahoo

For. the. love. of. God....you bought a muscle car, commute a good ways and then worry about gas mileage????????????

I would have thought anyone able to afford a new Camaro, of whichever specification, isn't really hurting financially, other wise they would have bought a used 4 cylinder vehicle. Just for the record, I converted our gas prices to dollars, and it's.......$8.53 A GALLON!!!

SEE!!!


I am glad SOME people see my point!

[IROCanSS]

Originally Posted by TooCool5

What'cha waitin for?

[2010victoryredss_ron]

little off topic but,, when is the last time you bought an ink cartridge for your printer?? you get millilitres or ounzes for what,,,, 30-40 bucks..

[TooCool5]

Originally Posted by jrhaus76

What'cha waitin for?

You to stop WHINING!
Call the waaaaambulance already!

[SSLarry]

Originally Posted by 2010victoryredss_ron

$1.28 a LITRE here for 93, that calculates to about $5.12 a gallon.. stop the complaining about prices until you come up here and pay what were paying.. . . .

Free Canadian healthcare isn't really free, is it ? You're right though, everything is relative, I guess.

[2010victoryredss_ron]

no its not free, and we sometimes have to wait for up to 9 hours just to be seen in our ER rooms....but that a whole different issue....

[IROCanSS]

Originally Posted by TooCool5

You to stop WHINING!
Call the waaaaambulance already!

He started it

Shesh... people take things so serious around here...

[Darth_Emma]

Higher gas prices are the best thing that can happen for promoting innovation in alternative energy sources. I'm not saying it isn't hard on people to raise gas prices. It is. That's why we need alternative energy technologies.

Also, drilling in remote areas solves nothing in the long term. It might help prices for a few years, but it is very short-sighted. We can harm areas that may be the only true remaining wilderness areas and in a few years, we're right back where we started - looking for more. We need other sources of energy that are renewable.

I know not everyone feels this way. If there was an easy solution, we would have already found it and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

In the meantime, if you think gas prices are high in the US, go buy gas in Canada or Europe. It's a LOT more expensive there. We've had cheap gas for many many years and are a bit spoiled by it.

Happy holidays to all of you.