[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by Corky

Nice toy bin...Looks like you're really roughing it...LOL....

Thanks. I’m taking one for the team.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Coupe, yes. Convertible no. The rear seats don't fold down in a vert

So I wind up doing what Number 3 describes. If I put my clubs in the trunk, the driver has to come out and go in the back seat. TBH, typically if it's nice enough to go golfing it's nice enough to roll with the top down and then I just drop the whole bag into the back seat.

The issue I have is, at least at the time, I kept my clubs in the trunk 8 months out of the year. Meaning either the rear seat was down or a driver was loose in the back seat. And not necessary in a Gen5 or an ATS coupe.

Today, my clubs are stored at the course. But my desire for a Camaro has lessened in retirement.🙁. A nice used convertible someday? Maybe.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

sure when you fold the seats down, but he's talking about just in the trunk. you can also put a golf club bag through the pass through of the 6thgen, but he doesn't want that, he wants them just in the trunk.

Yep, that and the noise level driving with the rear seat down increases noticeably.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Yep, that and the noise level driving with the rear seat down increases noticeably.

...which is a very nice feature, if I may say so

[Red Chief]

Originally Posted by Mark20242SS

just looked up camaro vs corvette sales numbers by year and up until the last 3 or 4 years camaro outsold vette by quite a lot.
so yeah gm must be making much larger profit margins on the vettes to keep them in production. plus it is chevys halo sports car.
wonder what were the reasons camaro sales dropped so much after 2019?
less production due to parts shortages probably? i remember they had issues with getting chips for trucks and cars.
2019 camaro sold 48K units
2020 camaro 30K
2021 camaro 22K
2022 camaro 25K
2023 camaro 31K
so camaro outsold the vette up until 2021, by large margins until 2020 when the C8 came out.
here is a good gm authority article on it

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2024/01...t-three-years/

Ford has only sold 40k Mustangs so far this year. By comparison, the Camaro wasn't that far behind.

And I completely understand why the current Mustang hasn't sold well. It looks like a victim of nepotism.

The only trim that looks good on the outside is the Dark Horse and the price for that is a joke. The dash looks like a bunch of ipads propped up like some knick knack you'd buy off Amazon for 50 bucks straight out of a Chinese sweatshop. Same for the headlights.

Anyone trying to design and sell this type of car needs to understand the importance of striking the right balance between boxy and curvy on the body shape and the experience of driving a muscle car in the interior. You get those two right and it WILL sell if you keep the price reasonable.

And stop with the track R&D. Let the hardcore modders take care of that. Most people could give a *censored* less about track times.

[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by Red Chief

Ford has only sold 40k Mustangs so far this year. By comparison, the Camaro wasn't that far behind.

And I completely understand why the current Mustang hasn't sold well. It looks like a victim of nepotism.

The only trim thatlooks good on the outside is the Dark Horse and the price for that is a joke. The dash looks like a bunch of ipads propped up like some knick knack you'd buy off Amazon for 50 bucks straight out of a Chinese sweatshop. Same for the headlights.

Anyone trying to design and sell this type of car needs to understand the importance of striking the right balance between boxy and curvy on the body shape and the experience of driving a muscle car in the interior. You get those two right and it WILL sell if you keep the price reasonable.

And stop with the track R&D. Let the hardcore modders take care of that. Most people could give a *censored* less about track times.

Every new car review video I have watched has an IPAD screen and a lot are now having it for the instrument cluster as well as the infotainment screen. Unfortunately it looks like the way everyone is trending. As far as sales go at least for the month in November I read the Mustang actually sold as much as all of Ford EV line up. The question though is if these sales will continue. This is one of the articles on it https://www.carscoops.com/2025/12/wh...aving-a-party/

[Red Chief]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

Every new car review video I have watched has an IPAD screen and a lot are now having it for the instrument cluster as well as the infotainment screen. Unfortunately it looks like the way everyone is trending.

It's trending in everybody else's car. The cars that are quiet, haul lots of kids and get good mileage. Get a Toyota if you want that.

Muscle cars are for people who want something that stands out in the crowd. A vehicle that doesn't look, sound or feel like everybody else's car.

They're supposed to be different. It's a maverick attitude.

[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by Red Chief

It's trending in everybody else's car. The cars that are quiet, haul lots of kids and get good mileage. Get a Toyota if you want that.

Muscle cars are for people who want something that stands out in the crowd. A vehicle that doesn't look, sound or feel like everybody else's car.

They're supposed to be different. It's a maverick attitude.

No it's not just the "everyone else" car. Auto manufacturers are just slapping screens on pretty much everything now. EDIT: Also the Challenger in my opinion was the only actual Muscle car left. The Camaro and Mustang trended into more of a sports car/pony car. When I watch car reviews I also only watch the performance vehicle ones.


1. The new Dodge Charger even the one that the V8 will return in will have screens as the Hurricane Gas engine one and the EV do. You can see them on Dodge.com


2. The 2026 C8 Corvette https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/05...ced-in-canada/


3. To add more variety The Mercedes-AMG GT Coupe has screens https://www.mercedes-benz.co.za/pass.../overview.html


I could go on and on but you get the idea. Also I never said I liked the screens its just where everything is going.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

No it's not just the "everyone else" car. Auto manufacturers are just slapping screens on pretty much everything now. EDIT: Also the Challenger in my opinion was the only actual Muscle car left. The Camaro and Mustang trended into more of a sports car/pony car. When I watch car reviews I also only watch the performance vehicle ones.


1. The new Dodge Charger even the one that the V8 will return in will have screens as the Hurricane Gas engine one and the EV do. You can see them on Dodge.com


2. The 2026 C8 Corvette https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/05...ced-in-canada/


3. To add more variety The Mercedes-AMG GT Coupe has screens https://www.mercedes-benz.co.za/pass.../overview.html


I could go on and on but you get the idea. Also I never said I liked the screens its just where everything is going.

Agreed. I don't like screens that aren't incorporated in the dash and I also prefer analog tachs and speedometers.

To the poster you replied too, the reason the Mustang isn't selling is because it costs too much now (as does everything else to be fair) and folks that are in that price bracket for cars have less money for a toy car due to todays economy.

I agree that the track stuff really doesn't matter to most buyers (coming from someone who does actually track his car) BUT maybe we are wrong since both Ford and GM made a big jump in that area last generation.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

Every new car review video I have watched has an IPAD screen and a lot are now having it for the instrument cluster as well as the infotainment screen. Unfortunately it looks like the way everyone is trending. As far as sales go at least for the month in November I read the Mustang actually sold as much as all of Ford EV line up. The question though is if these sales will continue. This is one of the articles on it https://www.carscoops.com/2025/12/wh...aving-a-party/

Interesting. For 2024 Mach E by itself sold more cars than Mustang (51k to 47k) and year to date 2025 Mach E still sells more than Mustang. November may be the only month since March that Mustang sold more than Mach E. Some of that is because a lot of Mach E buyers pulled ahead their purchases to catch the last availability of incentive dollars.

Mach E is still expected to outsell Mustang when the year end totals are in. And this doesn't even add in Lightning and e-Transit sales.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Interesting. For 2024 Mach E by itself sold more cars than Mustang (51k to 47k) and year to date 2025 Mach E still sells more than Mustang. November may be the only month since March that Mustang sold more than Mach E. Some of that is because a lot of Mach E buyers pulled ahead their purchases to catch the last availability of incentive dollars.

Mach E is still expected to outsell Mustang when the year end totals are in. And this doesn't even add in Lightning and e-Transit sales.

I think it’s fair to say that on an even-basis (aka no incentives to put the government thumb on the scale, so to speak) the Mustang will outsell the Mach-E pretty handily. Will be interesting to see, even I end up being proven wrong lol

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

I think it’s fair to say that on an even-basis (aka no incentives to put the government thumb on the scale, so to speak) the Mustang will outsell the Mach-E pretty handily. Will be interesting to see, even I end up being proven wrong lol

This one will be an interesting one to watch. The Mach E did not qualify for the incentives on a purchase basis. A lot of their battery material content came from China, which disqualified it for the incentive. Even in the first couple years it only qualified for half the incentive. The only way to get the incentive was to lease it. So you have to figure that people who bought one bought without the incentive.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

This one will be an interesting one to watch. The Mach E did not qualify for the incentives on a purchase basis. A lot of their battery material content came from China, which disqualified it for the incentive. Even in the first couple years it only qualified for half the incentive. The only way to get the incentive was to lease it. So you have to figure that people who bought one bought without the incentive.

Great info as always, James.

[Mark20242SS]

just checked mustang sales numbers and so far this year they are at 40,870
going to come up short of last year and be the lowest in history again.
as far as the ipad screens go, i had a 25 gt for a year and the screens were ok, but not necessary, the camaro does everything just as well without the big ipad screens. once you get stuff set and adjusted, you don't really mess with settings again. i also think the camaro screen setup looks more like a muscle, sports car, more like a porsche instead of a bmw.
here is a link to mustang sales numbers and the history of sales numbers

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/ford-m...sales-figures/