[Mark20242SS]

just looked up camaro vs corvette sales numbers by year and up until the last 3 or 4 years camaro outsold vette by quite a lot.
so yeah gm must be making much larger profit margins on the vettes to keep them in production. plus it is chevys halo sports car.
wonder what were the reasons camaro sales dropped so much after 2019?
less production due to parts shortages probably? i remember they had issues with getting chips for trucks and cars.
2019 camaro sold 48K units
2020 camaro 30K
2021 camaro 22K
2022 camaro 25K
2023 camaro 31K
so camaro outsold the vette up until 2021, by large margins until 2020 when the C8 came out.
here is a good gm authority article on it

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2024/01...t-three-years/

[JT6Speed]

Originally Posted by Mark20242SS

just looked up camaro vs corvette sales numbers by year and up until the last 3 or 4 years camaro outsold vette by quite a lot.
so yeah gm must be making much larger profit margins on the vettes to keep them in production. plus it is chevys halo sports car.
wonder what were the reasons camaro sales dropped so much after 2019?
less production due to parts shortages probably? i remember they had issues with getting chips for trucks and cars.
2019 camaro sold 48K units
2020 camaro 30K
2021 camaro 22K
2022 camaro 25K
2023 camaro 31K
so camaro outsold the vette up until 2021, by large margins until 2020 when the C8 came out.
here is a good gm authority article on it

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2024/01...t-three-years/

Interesting. A lot changed after 2020, people lost jobs, inflation, shortages. All of which didn't help the cause.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by JT6Speed

Interesting. A lot changed after 2020, people lost jobs, inflation, shortages. All of which didn't help the cause.

True. But at the same time, Corvette sales INCREASED. C7 C8

• 2017: 25,079
• 2018: 18,791
• 2019: 17,988
  
• 2020: 21,626
• 2021: 33,041
• 2022: 34,510
• 2023: 34,353
• 2024: 33,330

[bishopts]

Originally Posted by Mark20242SS

just looked up camaro vs corvette sales numbers by year and up until the last 3 or 4 years camaro outsold vette by quite a lot.
so yeah gm must be making much larger profit margins on the vettes to keep them in production. plus it is chevys halo sports car.
wonder what were the reasons camaro sales dropped so much after 2019?
less production due to parts shortages probably? i remember they had issues with getting chips for trucks and cars.
2019 camaro sold 48K units
2020 camaro 30K
2021 camaro 22K
2022 camaro 25K
2023 camaro 31K
so camaro outsold the vette up until 2021, by large margins until 2020 when the C8 came out.
here is a good gm authority article on it

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2024/01...t-three-years/

Covid impacts on the global chip supply. 2019 was the facelift that most didn't like but it was something new and different. But well into covid lockdowns the automotive sales as a whole went crazy. New cars were harder to find so prices were skyrocketing just like houses did. People that could afford 30% "dealer adjustment " fees were more likely to buy a car that was more practical than a 2 door sports car. But as dealer inventory was dwindling People were kinda buying another they could. Especially if their old car broke down. Not everyone knew used car repair was pretty tough because parts stores were struggling to get repair parts also. For a little while cars at the auction were almost double their normal price.

All of that info is not shown on a spreadsheet that a bean counter at GM is looking at. They see numbers going down so they move it over to the chopping block.

[Bumbleboy92]

To be fair, for the 2020 model year Corvette at least, ordering began late 2019 (September) and ended March 2020. They did have a strike back then but Covid wasn’t a player until December 2019 with it reaching the USA end of January 2020. States/cities started locking down end of March 2020. Then the following months of distancing/WFH.

[Mark20242SS]

thought i would check on vette sales this year and they are down quite a bit from last year, down 31% from last year and the 2 porsche models are selling about the same numbers combined.
this may be a good sign that they will bring back the camaro, vettes are just getting too expensive for most people.
here is the link to the gm authority article on vette sales
oh has anyone here drove either of the porsche sports cars? i have watched videos, but never even sat in one. don't see porsche's around here much, i know they won't sound as good and they cost way too much

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/11...arter-2025-q3/

[JT6Speed]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

True. But at the same time, Corvette sales INCREASED. C7 C8

• 2017: 25,079
• 2018: 18,791
• 2019: 17,988
  
• 2020: 21,626
• 2021: 33,041
• 2022: 34,510
• 2023: 34,353
• 2024: 33,330

Good point. Perhaps the target audience for Corvette's though is less affected by price increases and inflation. The C8 isn't cheap, especially optioned out.

[CHASLT1]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Saturn Sky Redline / Pontiac Solstice GXP?

Ya maybe.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

True. But at the same time, Corvette sales INCREASED. C7 C8

• 2017: 25,079
• 2018: 18,791
• 2019: 17,988
  
• 2020: 21,626
• 2021: 33,041
• 2022: 34,510
• 2023: 34,353
• 2024: 33,330

Originally Posted by Mark20242SS

thought i would check on vette sales this year and they are down quite a bit from last year, down 31% from last year and the 2 porsche models are selling about the same numbers combined.
this may be a good sign that they will bring back the camaro, vettes are just getting too expensive for most people.
here is the link to the gm authority article on vette sales
oh has anyone here drove either of the porsche sports cars? i have watched videos, but never even sat in one. don't see porsche's around here much, i know they won't sound as good and they cost way too much

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/11...arter-2025-q3/

Originally Posted by JT6Speed

Good point. Perhaps the target audience for Corvette's though is less affected by price increases and inflation. The C8 isn't cheap, especially optioned out.

Exactly! They are two different buyer groups with a bit of overlap at the top of Camaro / bottom of Corvette buyer segments. There are some who would coin flip "buy a ZL1 or a Stingray Z51". But when you're talking the core Camaro customer (SS) and the customers GM NEEDS (LT) vs the core Corvette customer (highly optioned Stingray), the gap is huge. And one group is a lot less impacted by inflation than the other.

Corvette sales are definitely down for 2025. I'm not clear on why that is. The plant was down for several weeks, but that doesn't explain a roughly 30% decline, much of it BEFORE the plant being shut down. In fact, it may be WHY the plant was shut down. Inventory leveling. Could be that the Z06 / ZR1 fuel filler issue had some spillover effect to Stingray models. It could be that a significant new competitor has entered the market, though I have difficulty thinking of one.

[CHASLT1]

Price just went insane on the C8's and the risk factor on the 10 speed is not worth it out of warranty. Already had to lemon law a new 2019 C7 with 400 miles thanks to shudder and a bad rear end friend. The A8 was a nitemare for years. I got very lucky on a 2015 with 57k miles that never had a prob.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by CHASLT1

Price just went insane on the C8's and the risk factor on the 10 8 speed DCT is not worth it out of warranty. Already had to lemon law a new 2019 C7 with 400 miles thanks to shudder and a bad rear end friend. The A8 was a nitemare for years. I got very lucky on a 2015 with 57k miles that never had a prob.

Fixed it.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Corvette sales are definitely down for 2025. I'm not clear on why that is. The plant was down for several weeks, but that doesn't explain a roughly 30% decline, much of it BEFORE the plant being shut down. In fact, it may be WHY the plant was shut down. Inventory leveling. Could be that the Z06 / ZR1 fuel filler issue had some spillover effect to Stingray models. It could be that a significant new competitor has entered the market, though I have difficulty thinking of one.

I think it’s because it’s in its 6th model year and everybody who REALLY wanted one got one. Also inflation and the economy are way worse now than before. I’d argue the economy was really good during early Covid (after the initial shutdowns) even with the rampant inflation. Lots of open jobs and salary increases. The msrp increases have priced folks out even with the 8ish thousand off msrp for these.

I know corvette doesn’t typically get a big mid cycle upgrade but if I had a 20-25, I wouldn’t upgrade just for the 3rd screen that was added. ZR1 is in a wayyyy different price bracket as is the Z06 arguably since no one wants a 1LZ.

The hidden cost of the C8 (which doesn’t get talked about much imo) is the price increase when going from 1LT to 2LT (or LZ). For years it was a 5k upcharge. With the introduction of the C8 it became a 12k upcharge. This is how GM was able to offer the C8 “starting” at 60k for a 1LT. Because they knew no one wanted a 1LT. So really a 2020 stingray had a 12k price increase over the outgoing 2019 stingray (2LT models). Sorry I know I went off topic but I like to bring awareness to this as people don’t understand there was a pretty big price increase when going from C7 to C8 (versus the originally thought (5k increase 55k starting msrp versus 60k).

[ariZona28]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

I think it’s because it’s in its 6th model year and everybody who REALLY wanted one got one.

This. Most folks didn't object to the wall of buttons. And in my opinion adding another screen means there are now 3 too many.

[DeuceCam]

Originally Posted by Mark20242SS

just looked up camaro vs corvette sales numbers by year and up until the last 3 or 4 years camaro outsold vette by quite a lot.
so yeah gm must be making much larger profit margins on the vettes to keep them in production. plus it is chevys halo sports car.
wonder what were the reasons camaro sales dropped so much after 2019?
less production due to parts shortages probably? i remember they had issues with getting chips for trucks and cars.
2019 camaro sold 48K units
2020 camaro 30K
2021 camaro 22K
2022 camaro 25K
2023 camaro 31K
so camaro outsold the vette up until 2021, by large margins until 2020 when the C8 came out.
here is a good gm authority article on it

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2024/01...t-three-years/

There was also a noteworthy drop in 2018 from the previous year. I think the decline is a combination of things, most of which are the discussed in this thread. Plus, there was controversy with the Camaro facelift, particularly 2019 for the SS, and the subsequent facelift for 2020+ SS was kind of a band-aid fix for the 2019 model. (IMO the pre facelift LT and SS Camaro's look better.) These things along with post covid price hikes and lower new vehicle supply, probably exacerbated the problem.

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

True. But at the same time, Corvette sales INCREASED. C7 C8

• 2017: 25,079
• 2018: 18,791
• 2019: 17,988
  
• 2020: 21,626
• 2021: 33,041
• 2022: 34,510
• 2023: 34,353
• 2024: 33,330

I think the difference here is the intro of the new model in 2020.