[Devstrike]

Both need to get done harsher penalties for car thieves and making them harder to steal. It won't be long until a car thief (cause he know he can get away with it) will attempt to steal from the wrong guy and get shot and killed. Would not surprise me if something like this has already happened. The coddling of Criminals needs to stop and they actually need to face consequences not a revolving door.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Car theft involves planning but it's very much opportunistic. This car isn't being stolen now because it's a high value car or in high demand..it's being stolen because it's super easy to steal them now. Make the cars harder to steal is much easier than trying to end the act of theft.

This is something we as consumers and owners need to demand that gm at the very least, fix in future cars they sell if not offer proper fixes to existing ones. And in the meantime, corrections to the car will be on owners. If you go around leaving expensive stuff in front of your house that is known to be easily taken, even places with low crime will see those things stolen when otherwise they wouldn't have been.

I dont doubt there are career criminals or pro car thieves out there. That's always been the case, but we see a problem with the camaro, not because there are more thieves in existence, just that the ones that are out there have turned their attention to a lower hanging fruit. I'm not interested in the impossible task of eliminating all theft. I am interested in not giving them my stuff on a silver platter. Which is what gm has done.

I fundamentally disagree with this take. In an ideal world, which, while impossible at scale, does exist in pockets, you don't need to lock your front door, because practically nobody comes through it, whether or not it's "super easy" to go through. This should be the reach goal, not forcing regular people into Fort Knox like setups.

Easy is also relative, trying to make one's car just a bit more secure than the next guy's because then his car will get stolen, not mine, is very shortsighted---once thieves run out of easy targets for one reason or another (Kia, Hyundai), they'll move on to the next tier (Camaro, Challenger).

Proper deterrence is the most helpful remedy, whether or not one likes it (despite appearances, I'm not a fan, but I don't try to deny reality either). Making cars super secure is another cost borne by the innocent, which is what the impact of all crime boils down to, making things less usable, more expensive and more risky for normal people who do not commit felonies.

[Patriot Motorsports USA]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Car theft involves planning but it's very much opportunistic. This car isn't being stolen now because it's a high value car or in high demand..it's being stolen because it's super easy to steal them now. Make the cars harder to steal is much easier than trying to end the act of theft.

This is something we as consumers and owners need to demand that gm at the very least, fix in future cars they sell if not offer proper fixes to existing ones. And in the meantime, corrections to the car will be on owners. If you go around leaving expensive stuff in front of your house that is known to be easily taken, even places with low crime will see those things stolen when otherwise they wouldn't have been.

I dont doubt there are career criminals or pro car thieves out there. That's always been the case, but we see a problem with the camaro, not because there are more thieves in existence, just that the ones that are out there have turned their attention to a lower hanging fruit. I'm not interested in the impossible task of eliminating all theft. I am interested in not giving them my stuff on a silver platter. Which is what gm has done.

Originally Posted by arpad_m

I fundamentally disagree with this take. In an ideal world, which, while impossible at scale, does exist in pockets, you don't need to lock your front door, because practically nobody comes through it, whether or not it's "super easy" to go through. This should be the reach goal, not forcing regular people into Fort Knox like setups.

AGREED 100%


This is where we need to utilize our 2nd Amendment Rights. Step onto my property or being Blessed in Texas, reach into my car and FO.

We can add pages and pages but until ANYONE starts this conversation with Elected "Representatives Of The People"... this BS is just going to continue. Until we make these people (Those Elected Officials) understand the ones paying the taxes, working everyday to keep food on our tables and theirs.... besides the millions they get in endorsements to NOT change the weak laws, nothing will ever change.

The way you change the Car Theft Laws is easy. You make it an IMMEDIATE disqualification for prosecution to the owner of the vehicle, if you protect your property by using any means necessary including but not limited to exercising your 2nd Amendment Rights, on the spot! I promise you, not only will this get headline news, it will put the fear back into these thugs who are doing the exact same things by carrying weapons to steal these cars because Society has been Brainwashed into responding, "Why Kill someone over something Insurance Will Pay for to Replace?" "Its just a Car..." "You can replace a car, not a Human!" These are also the people who either cannot afford a nice car, have never worked a day in their lives and certainly no someone NOT living off the welfare provided by others.

You have to make the change at the Government level. God Forbid I blow smoke out of my 1633 Lb/Ft of torque tuned Ram Truck... the manufacturers will pay billions in fines for that one... my truck would get crushed and massive fine levied upon me! See what is happening to the Diesel Brothers to know the threat of Tree-Huggers is real with an $18MIL Judgement! BUT... steal a car that destroys a family's means of getting to work... "nah, you're good. Sign this promise to appear and we will see you the next time!" Is perfectly fine by society.

The following States have a "Stand Your Ground Law" which allows exactly what I shared here WITHOUT the stipend of "Duty To Retreat" as other States include. This means, if you are in your car, feel endangered and unsafe... Do what you know is your Right to Do, Protect yourself, your family and your property.

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

Stepping off my Soap-Box now. Thanks!!

[cellsafemode]

Yea, rolling coal defender. It'll be nice when that whole aspect of car culture dies out, because it will die with that generation and the whole will be better for it. Also, isn't the blessed 'state' of texas where most of the people (if not all) in this very thread and the others in this topic had their camaro's stolen? Seems like swinging around gun rights doesn't really prevent such things.

Making your car less easy to steal than the next guy's doesn't mean that next guy's is gonna be stolen. Most car thefts aren't done by gone with 60 seconds level pro's who have a quota..if they're all too hard, they'll maybe not steal any. But i guess go ahead and carry around a gun or wish for more prisons if that's how you want to live. I'll keep going with a much less stressful and easier option ..as that's been working for me ...but then, maybe i just live in really nice places where that stuff isn't a big problem (or they hate camaro's so much they wont even take free ones)

[Patriot Motorsports USA]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Yea, rolling coal defender. It'll be nice when that whole aspect of car culture dies out, because it will die with that generation and the whole will be better for it. Also, isn't the blessed 'state' of texas where most of the people (if not all) in this very thread and the others in this topic had their camaro's stolen? Seems like swinging around gun rights doesn't really prevent such things.

Making your car less easy to steal than the next guy's doesn't mean that next guy's is gonna be stolen. Most car thefts aren't done by gone with 60 seconds level pro's who have a quota..if they're all too hard, they'll maybe not steal any. But i guess go ahead and carry around a gun or wish for more prisons if that's how you want to live. I'll keep going with a much less stressful and easier option ..as that's been working for me ...but then, maybe i just live in really nice places where that stuff isn't a big problem (or they hate camaro's so much they wont even take free ones)

The fun part about tuning is "Rolling Coal" means you are not burning all the fuel, so its being wasted. Gale Banks taught me that and shared his wisdom and all the parts he makes... unlike a lot of others. So I agree its a waste.

Texas is #10 in the USA as far as Car Thefts go per Capita. AND, the cities in Texas where Car Theft is the greatest, the Liberal Lawmakers there have a chokehold on the Sheriffs, Constables and Local Police because out of state Billionaires keep funding their campaigns. Guess where the highest Car Thefts in the USA are... then take a good look at their Government structure.

Location | Thefts/Capita 100k in 2024 | Percentage of Increase vs 2023

• Washington, D.C. 1,150 277%
• Colorado 583 91%
• Nevada 573 88%
• Washington 554 82%
• California 534 75%
• New Mexico 490 61%
• Missouri 442 45%
• Maryland 428 40%
• Oregon 394 29%
• Texas 383 26%

The attached graph is States with gross per capita auto theft increases in 2021 and 2023

[cellsafemode]

You're veering into politics. Cities will always have more theft than smaller towns regardless of politics. Potentially even per capita. It's in the nature of what's available in such large concentrations of people and property. This is true absolutely everywhere and across all time. Some are higher and lower than others and why that is is a mix of factors, some within the control of such cities, many not. I'd wager economics plays a much bigger role in this kind of crime than penalties does.

We're going to see localized upticks in theft as the economy worsens for people not living off the stock market. It'll be across the board...but as always it'll be higher where more people are living in proximity to eachother...regardless of laws. And i think that will be the case until the economic situation improves for the bottom half of the country. In the meantime, our expensive toys should not be able to be stolen in 30 seconds by any kid with a raspberry pi who watched a tik tok. That's on gm.

[Deacon Blues]

There could be bread in those Camaros!

[Capricio]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

You're veering into politics. Cities will always have more theft than smaller towns regardless of politics. Potentially even per capita. It's in the nature of what's available in such large concentrations of people and property. This is true absolutely everywhere and across all time. Some are higher and lower than others and why that is is a mix of factors, some within the control of such cities, many not. I'd wager economics plays a much bigger role in this kind of crime than penalties does.

We're going to see localized upticks in theft as the economy worsens for people not living off the stock market. It'll be across the board...but as always it'll be higher where more people are living in proximity to eachother...regardless of laws. And i think that will be the case until the economic situation improves for the bottom half of the country. In the meantime, our expensive toys should not be able to be stolen in 30 seconds by any kid with a raspberry pi who watched a tik tok. That's on gm.

Okay well, until we reach $100k Universal Basic Income, $50/hr min wage, and GM gets their act together, can we at least lock up the guys with 3 strikes for a few years? I'd wager that would clear up 90% of the problem. Do you really think they'll stop committing felonies if the economy improves?

[HankVA]

Originally Posted by Deacon Blues

There could be bread in those Camaros!

Ha!

[2SS Capt]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Yea, rolling coal defender. It'll be nice when that whole aspect of car culture dies out, because it will die with that generation and the whole will be better for it. Also, isn't the blessed 'state' of texas where most of the people (if not all) in this very thread and the others in this topic had their camaro's stolen? Seems like swinging around gun rights doesn't really prevent such things.

Making your car less easy to steal than the next guy's doesn't mean that next guy's is gonna be stolen. Most car thefts aren't done by gone with 60 seconds level pro's who have a quota..if they're all too hard, they'll maybe not steal any. But i guess go ahead and carry around a gun or wish for more prisons if that's how you want to live. I'll keep going with a much less stressful and easier option ..as that's been working for me ...but then, maybe i just live in really nice places where that stuff isn't a big problem (or they hate camaro's so much they wont even take free ones)

Los Angeles had a 1,200/% increase in Camaro thefts in 2024 vs 2023.... Didn't fool yourself, Kalifornia is certainly no panacea....

[HighIron]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

You're veering into politics. Cities will always have more theft than smaller towns regardless of politics. Potentially even per capita. It's in the nature of what's available in such large concentrations of people and property. This is true absolutely everywhere and across all time. Some are higher and lower than others and why that is is a mix of factors, some within the control of such cities, many not. I'd wager economics plays a much bigger role in this kind of crime than penalties does.

We're going to see localized upticks in theft as the economy worsens for people not living off the stock market. It'll be across the board...but as always it'll be higher where more people are living in proximity to eachother...regardless of laws. And i think that will be the case until the economic situation improves for the bottom half of the country. In the meantime, our expensive toys should not be able to be stolen in 30 seconds by any kid with a raspberry pi who watched a tik tok. That's on gm.

Well put. Pithy.

[Patriot Motorsports USA]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

You're veering into politics. Cities will always have more theft than smaller towns regardless of politics. Potentially even per capita. It's in the nature of what's available in such large concentrations of people and property. This is true absolutely everywhere and across all time. Some are higher and lower than others and why that is is a mix of factors, some within the control of such cities, many not. I'd wager economics plays a much bigger role in this kind of crime than penalties does.

We're going to see localized upticks in theft as the economy worsens for people not living off the stock market. It'll be across the board...but as always it'll be higher where more people are living in proximity to eachother...regardless of laws. And i think that will be the case until the economic situation improves for the bottom half of the country. In the meantime, our expensive toys should not be able to be stolen in 30 seconds by any kid with a raspberry pi who watched a tik tok. That's on gm.

Are you serious? You've been in California too long it seems. Why is it the WEST COAST has higher crime in areas where there are lower total per capita numbers? Atlanta Georgia and Miami Florida are not even on the list, yet their per capita numbers are three times the numbers of residents in any of the West Coast areas listed. So don't candy-coat the failures of the West's liability to protect the citizens who want peace, who work hard for their cars and do not want to have to build a fortress of security just to live the American Dream of "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." No where in that interpretation is the clause, "Carry a Gun" or add an IGLA to your ride!

Sure technology is catching up on some of these criminals but its the revolving door which makes them brazen enough now to just shoot their victims and drive away with zero penalties other than getting caught.

[CamaroSue]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

You're veering into politics. Cities will always have more theft than smaller towns regardless of politics. Potentially even per capita. It's in the nature of what's available in such large concentrations of people and property. This is true absolutely everywhere and across all time. Some are higher and lower than others and why that is is a mix of factors, some within the control of such cities, many not. I'd wager economics plays a much bigger role in this kind of crime than penalties does.

We're going to see localized upticks in theft as the economy worsens for people not living off the stock market. It'll be across the board...but as always it'll be higher where more people are living in proximity to eachother...regardless of laws. And i think that will be the case until the economic situation improves for the bottom half of the country. In the meantime, our expensive toys should not be able to be stolen in 30 seconds by any kid with a raspberry pi who watched a tik tok. That's on gm.

Interesting take on this. There have been times that I survived on a few hundred dollars per month (grad school for one). And NOT ONCE did it occur to me to steal anything. And of course its political. Do you really believe this is all happening organically?

[GroundhogSS]

I don't think an improving economy will make any difference. It will just give people the opportunity to afford more nice cars for these guys to steal.