[RandyGen6]

Originally Posted by bishopts

Luckily i park in my garage and block it with another car. But i kinda wish i would have got an ats-v most of the time.

Yeah you definitely don’t hear about people stealing those or really bothering those cars. Camaros and BMW M competitions are the sought after cars right now for the car scenes and takeovers and of course hellcats and scats are sought after but they’re slowly dying off because how many people have them or have hellcat engine swaps

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by havelegs

Mine was stolen in Dallas on Oct 2023. The car was recovered after about one week, with a driver in it along with him having a gun and a fake tag on it. He was already out on bond for other felony car thefts. My car was stock, all white so you can see what they did to it, along with cutting the mufflers off. Basically he was processed and released back into the wild like the animal he is. I found out just a few months ago he was caught again with a stolen car, yet again the Dallas criminal system just lets them off with no punishment. He probably stole your car too, his name is Corey Hicks

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Well at least he did a decent paint job. Can't knock him for having taste.

[2SS Capt]

This is why if my car is ever left in a parking lot (for a quick lunch or such), it looks like this...



I realize a "Club" isn't necessarily going to prevent a theft but if this is "just the tip of the iceberg", this "visible" deterrence might just be enough to tell them to go somewhere else and make them wonder what else has been done (which is actually quite a lot)... If they decide to proceed, well then, game is on as they will have several additional levels of strong prevention that may leave them rather confused and bewildered... About the only way they are getting it is dragging it on a flatbed and there isn't much deterrence from that, except a 9mm...

My car spends a hell of a lot of time in a locked garage with another car parked behind it, it is sad this is the state of the world, but it is definitely time to bring Law & Order back... Grand Theft Auto isn't a misdemeanor and should NOT be treated as such... It should be a Felony with a MINIMUM of 10 years in Federal Prison without parole... Guess what, car thefts would drop by 80% and insurance rates would drop as well...

I don't mess with your shit, leave my shit alone... Oh yeah, you are a loser and don't have any shit so you are trying to steal mine... "Go directly to Jail, do not pass Go, do not collect a Camaro you'll try to sell for $2,500... You are a loser, got rot away in a prison cell..."

[cellsafemode]

Car thefts are down like 50% from 1990 in the us. Insurance hasn't gone down. No need to fill the prison system with one strike your life is over laws. economic stability lowers theft. That and reducing opportunity. Keyless entry and remote start etc, makes stealing certain cars easy, easier than dealing with less convenience filled vehicles. Car makers will eventually secure things and we'll see car theft continue it's downward trend. Wont be much help to those with the non secure cars...but as noted in the thread, there are options. It's just a matter of how inconvenienced do you want to make entering and exiting your car if you are parked in a place where theft is higher than avg.

1. An odb2 kill switch is trivially easy to implement if the odb2 port is being used in thefts. Even easier would be a 3d printed locking cover.

2. Never use remote features of your fob out in public. Passive only and even that can be hijacked.

3. Could always install a security alarm/system.

4. Keep a tracker in the car hidden, it's easy to disable onstar.

5. If this is an every day worry of yours, consider moving or buying a car that's harder to steal.

[DamonZ28]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Even easier would be a 3d printed locking cover.

I'm in an Amazon program where I get free products in exchange for reviews. I've tried a few of these, and every single one of them yanks right off with very little effort. I've even tried a metal one, although it was a cheap one, with the same result. (I have a fake port installed in the factory location, so damage is not a concern with yanking, but it didn't require enough effort to even be a concern.) Interestingly enough, I tried one of them on my Ford Edge, and it was pretty secure, I couldn't yank it off that one. (But don't need one for that vehicle, of course.)

[Memphis SS]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Car thefts are down like 50% from 1990 in the us. Insurance hasn't gone down. No need to fill the prison system with one strike your life is over laws. economic stability lowers theft.

I think most here are not asking for life in prison for a car theft, but would like to see them serve what time is listed on the books for the offense. When they are back on the street faster than the report is written it’s a problem. I think you will find that most of these types of crimes are committed by repeat offenders, most of them couldn’t care less about legal job opportunities.

Also insurance rates are calculated by more than just car theft unfortunately, repair cost, cost of vehicles on total loss claims and the rise in uninsured motorists doesn’t help lower rates.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Car thefts are down like 50% from 1990 in the us. Insurance hasn't gone down. No need to fill the prison system with one strike your life is over laws. economic stability lowers theft. That and reducing opportunity. Keyless entry and remote start etc, makes stealing certain cars easy, easier than dealing with less convenience filled vehicles. Car makers will eventually secure things and we'll see car theft continue it's downward trend. Wont be much help to those with the non secure cars...but as noted in the thread, there are options. It's just a matter of how inconvenienced do you want to make entering and exiting your car if you are parked in a place where theft is higher than avg.

1. An odb2 kill switch is trivially easy to implement if the odb2 port is being used in thefts. Even easier would be a 3d printed locking cover.

2. Never use remote features of your fob out in public. Passive only and even that can be hijacked.

3. Could always install a security alarm/system.

4. Keep a tracker in the car hidden, it's easy to disable onstar.

5. If this is an every day worry of yours, consider moving or buying a car that's harder to steal.

Stealing a car isn't an "accident" but a very conscious decision involving preparation and time to execute, therefore it needs to be punished appropriately, especially given that vehicles are often a very large investment item in people's lives, second only to homes.

Repeat offenses should be met with exponentially increasing punishment for proper deterrence. Decreasing per capita theft rates don't mean you can simply let up on this, the ideal target number for vehicle theft is 0, and while it's unattainable, one still can't be complacent and say it's okay, we're on the right track because car thefts are down overall. This has little to do with wealth and "economic stability" when individuals routinely jack cars and have no intention of entering the legal labor pool.

By the way, there is MAJOR variance among states, CA has been back at 2000-2003 levels in the last couple of years, and DC was way above 1990 rates (by 30%) in 2024. It's disingenuous to take credit for an overall decrease and claim that punishment is already too excessive when it's the exact areas with proper enforcement and deterrence that drive the stats down.

I'm not saying improved vehicle security does not play a role, it does, but again, security an usability are always at odds, which leads me to my last point: we want to make sure innocent people are only constrained and inconvenienced to the absolute minimum necessary when using their lawfully obtained possessions.

[MT-SS1LE]

Sorry, but stealing someone's car is not like stealing a candy bar from Walmart. It is a major inconvenience, expense and stress for the victim. If it is their only vehicle, it can be a serious financial burden. Stop coddling these criminals and, sorry I don't give two sh*ts about their financial situation or upbringing. They should spend a few years in prison for a first offense, and longer for multiple offenses. Throw away the key as far as I'm concerned.

[Capricio]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

No need to fill the prison system with one strike your life is over laws. economic stability lowers theft.

Not counting carjacking, which I consider a violent act, it's the same people using the same means stealing the same types of cars over and over. They aren't stealing ZL1s and SS/LT1 cars to commute to their minimum wage jobs. They won't stop until the are locked up. It won't matter how prosperous economic conditions become. They'll keep doing what the do because they have learned there are no real consequences, and they enjoy the fruits of criminality, if not the actual criminal acts. The local economics of risk vs reward need to be recalibrated before fixing the entire economy.

[TheEnthusiast]

Originally Posted by bishopts

Luckily i park in my garage and block it with another car. But i kinda wish i would have got an ats-v most of the time.

I gave up looking for an ATS-V. Cant find a nice one anyone wants to part with and the ones for sale 1000's of miles away are trashed.

[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by MT-SS1LE

Sorry, but stealing someone's car is not like stealing a candy bar from Walmart. It is a major inconvenience, expense and stress for the victim. If it is their only vehicle, it can be a serious financial burden. Stop coddling these criminals and, sorry I don't give two sh*ts about their financial situation or upbringing. They should spend a few years in prison for a first offense, and longer for multiple offenses. Throw away the key as far as I'm concerned.

I agree.

[havelegs]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Car thefts are down like 50% from 1990 in the us. Insurance hasn't gone down. No need to fill the prison system with one strike your life is over laws. economic stability lowers theft. That and reducing opportunity. Keyless entry and remote start etc, makes stealing certain cars easy, easier than dealing with less convenience filled vehicles. Car makers will eventually secure things and we'll see car theft continue it's downward trend. Wont be much help to those with the non secure cars...but as noted in the thread, there are options. It's just a matter of how inconvenienced do you want to make entering and exiting your car if you are parked in a place where theft is higher than avg.

1. An odb2 kill switch is trivially easy to implement if the odb2 port is being used in thefts. Even easier would be a 3d printed locking cover.

2. Never use remote features of your fob out in public. Passive only and even that can be hijacked.

3. Could always install a security alarm/system.

4. Keep a tracker in the car hidden, it's easy to disable onstar.

5. If this is an every day worry of yours, consider moving or buying a car that's harder to steal.

The guy who stole mine has a long history of it. He should have been in prison. All he has to do is pay a $200 court fee and he's free, me on the other hand, this whole thing costs me thousands.

[RandyGen6]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Car thefts are down like 50% from 1990 in the us. Insurance hasn't gone down. No need to fill the prison system with one strike your life is over laws. economic stability lowers theft. That and reducing opportunity. Keyless entry and remote start etc, makes stealing certain cars easy, easier than dealing with less convenience filled vehicles. Car makers will eventually secure things and we'll see car theft continue it's downward trend. Wont be much help to those with the non secure cars...but as noted in the thread, there are options. It's just a matter of how inconvenienced do you want to make entering and exiting your car if you are parked in a place where theft is higher than avg.

1. An odb2 kill switch is trivially easy to implement if the odb2 port is being used in thefts. Even easier would be a 3d printed locking cover.

2. Never use remote features of your fob out in public. Passive only and even that can be hijacked.

3. Could always install a security alarm/system.

4. Keep a tracker in the car hidden, it's easy to disable onstar.

5. If this is an every day worry of yours, consider moving or buying a car that's harder to steal.

This wasn’t a mistake or a first time offender this guy was highly experienced in stealing cars he deserves to spend his life in jail I do not care I’ve worked 8 years in my career to finally be in a place to buy my dream car for this crook to come along and steal it in less than 2 mins? Unacceptable especially after finding out he’s a seasoned criminal that they keep letting out. I just spent 2k getting the car fixed before it got stolen. He was armed at some point in my car I found his gun holster. There’s nothing stopping this criminal from coming back to my apartment complex and trying to steal my car again or god forbid hold me up at gunpoint to steal the car so yes this needs to be treated seriously and criminals like this deserve to be in the prison system and with how many offenses this man has he needs to be in prison for life there’s no saving or teaching him to be better. This whole thing has stressed me out beyond belief that was my only form of transportation and now it’s going to be in a repair shop for at least 2 months and I’m going to have to figure out transportation in the meantime. And as far as trackers go my car had trackers besides on star and he found and disabled all of them. The alarm system wouldn’t do anything as I mentioned my alarm went off on my car but he had the car started so fast there was nothing me or anyone could do besides open fire in a parking less than 30 ft away from kids playing and I wasn’t going to do that.

[cellsafemode]

Car theft involves planning but it's very much opportunistic. This car isn't being stolen now because it's a high value car or in high demand..it's being stolen because it's super easy to steal them now. Make the cars harder to steal is much easier than trying to end the act of theft.

This is something we as consumers and owners need to demand that gm at the very least, fix in future cars they sell if not offer proper fixes to existing ones. And in the meantime, corrections to the car will be on owners. If you go around leaving expensive stuff in front of your house that is known to be easily taken, even places with low crime will see those things stolen when otherwise they wouldn't have been.

I dont doubt there are career criminals or pro car thieves out there. That's always been the case, but we see a problem with the camaro, not because there are more thieves in existence, just that the ones that are out there have turned their attention to a lower hanging fruit. I'm not interested in the impossible task of eliminating all theft. I am interested in not giving them my stuff on a silver platter. Which is what gm has done.