[GreenZLE]

Originally Posted by AZIROC

Blame liberal cities and making criminals "victims"

Thats a part of it for sure. Another part is not sending these dirtbags to prison for 10 years when they get caught. We've all heard the stories where these thieves get little to no time and there's instances where the police have to be shamed into recovering the cars when the owner knows exactly where they are!!!


Decades ago, before chipped keys and key fobs, you could hot wire cars or break the side of the steering column and start them with ease. Back then, we blamed the criminals instead of the owners for leaving their cars outside or the manufacturers for not making them harder to steal.


Now, we have people who discourage and shame owners from defending their own property!

[GreenZLE]

Thats a part of it for sure. Another part is not sending these dirtbags to prison for 10 years when they get caught. We've all heard the stories where these thieves get little to no time and there's instances where the police have to be shamed into recovering the cars when the owner knows exactly where they are!!!

Decades ago, before chipped keys and key fobs, you could hot wire cars or break the side of the steering column and start them with ease. Back then, we blamed the criminals instead of the owners for leaving their cars outside or the manufacturers for not making them harder to steal.

Now, we have people who discourage and shame owners from defending their own property!

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Nice troll. Instead though, you can blame gm for not taking security seriously. Camaro's are being stolen because it's super easy and requires little effort. Not because there are more car thieves getting pampered in the world.

This line of thinking leads to a neverending arms race whose costs are borne by innocent customers, and completely dismisses the undeniable fact that deterrents have been eroding.

We want to live in a world where one can use their property without being paranoid about security. Harsher deterrents and penalties help with that, no question about it, several examples in the world.

There is a balance, of course, flaying car thieves alive and chopping their limbs off one by one in public would be excessive, but so is letting them out on $400 bonds or giving them suspended sentences; the truth is somewhere between these, but current trends indicate that these days we need a lot of hardening, not pampering and grandstanding about criminals' rights.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Nice troll.

He’s not wrong though. I work for one of the big 3 hospitals in the city of Cleveland. Cleveland division of police cut their auto theft department down to exactly ONE officer on assignment 20 years ago. For the entire city. Part of city cuts by the then-mayor eliminating 500 police from the city payroll for budget cuts and they haven’t recovered since.

And Cleveland is not alone. Most liberally managed big cities have limited police manpower. Whereas your suburbs and rural cities/counties have the budget and manpower to have decent and effective police security.

They also tend to not be liberal cities.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Nice troll.

He’s not wrong though. I work for one of the big 3 hospitals in the city of Cleveland. Cleveland division of police cut their auto theft department down to exactly ONE officer on assignment 20 years ago. For the entire city. Part of city cuts by the then-mayor eliminating 500 police from the city payroll for budget cuts and they haven’t recovered since.

And Cleveland is not alone. Most liberally managed big cities have limited police manpower. Whereas your suburbs and rural cities/counties have the budget and manpower to have decent and effective police security.

They also tend to not be liberal cities

[SomeGeoffGuy]

Originally Posted by clyde

It's how many whole vehicle claims as a percentage of insured units, not volume of thefts.

According to the IIHS report the media stories are based on, Camaro thefts as a whole peaked in March 2024 at 18.3 claims per 1,000 insured vehicle years. "(One insured vehicle year equals one vehicle insured for one year, two vehicles insured for six months, and so forth.)

That is a 1.83% chance of getting stolen by my math. Thank you for putting some numbers on it!

-Geoff

[SomeGeoffGuy]

Originally Posted by clyde

It's how many whole vehicle claims as a percentage of insured units, not volume of thefts.

According to the IIHS report the media stories are based on, Camaro thefts as a whole peaked in March 2024 at 18.3 claims per 1,000 insured vehicle years. "(One insured vehicle year equals one vehicle insured for one year, two vehicles insured for six months, and so forth.)

I am not sure what you are arguing, but by the numbers you are posting, that equates to a 1.83% chance in my math book. That is pretty high!

-Geoff

[nothing_but_troub1le]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

This is the same company that killed a bunch of people to save pennies on a key cylinder.

When did this happen? Did I miss something?

[SOCAL.M6.ZLE]

Originally Posted by Osbornsm

*hug

**Group hug...

[SOCAL.M6.ZLE]

Very sad indeed... the art of vehicle theft has never been more sophisticated. It's a shame that the OEM's don't take this more serious... bit like so many other shortcomings, it's up to the aftermarket to fix the issues.

I am all for bringing back public hangings in the town square for theft of any kind. Where I that petition booth at? HAHA

[SOCAL.M6.ZLE]

Very sad indeed... the art of vehicle theft has never been more sophisticated. It's a shame that the OEM's don't take this more serious... bit like so many other shortcomings, it's up to the aftermarket to fix the issues.

I am all for bringing back public hangings in the town square for theft of any kind. Where I that petition booth at? HAHA

[SOCAL.M6.ZLE]

Very sad indeed... the art of vehicle theft has never been more sophisticated. It's a shame that the OEM's don't take this more serious... bit like so many other shortcomings, it's up to the aftermarket to fix the issues.

I am all for bringing back public hangings in the town square for theft of any kind. Where I that petition booth at? HAHA

[Dabjbr]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Nice troll. Instead though, you can blame gm for not taking security seriously. Camaro's are being stolen because it's super easy and requires little effort. Not because there are more car thieves getting pampered in the world. Cities tend to have a higher rate of theft simply because there's more opportunity due to there being more cars in a given area, and more frequently they are tucked away in garages or with more people around (on the street) to not be suspicious as they record the radio signals your fob uses.


Security costs a bit more to have these features like keyless entry not implemented by the cheapest option gm can find (probably from some third party in china). This is the same company that killed a bunch of people to save pennies on a key cylinder.

Agree with you fully.

[Dabjbr]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Nice troll. Instead though, you can blame gm for not taking security seriously. Camaro's are being stolen because it's super easy and requires little effort. Not because there are more car thieves getting pampered in the world. Cities tend to have a higher rate of theft simply because there's more opportunity due to there being more cars in a given area, and more frequently they are tucked away in garages or with more people around (on the street) to not be suspicious as they record the radio signals your fob uses.


Security costs a bit more to have these features like keyless entry not implemented by the cheapest option gm can find (probably from some third party in china). This is the same company that killed a bunch of people to save pennies on a key cylinder.

Fully agree