[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by DaveC113

The 7th Gen Camaro was well underway before it was axed, I wonder what it looked like and if it's sellable in today's market.

The 6th Gen performed well but sales were limited due to it's design. It's not the best daily but the vast majority of sales are intended to be "regular" cars, they even sold Camaros to rental companies. The car is a PITA to live with as a DD for many reasons and sales reflected that.

If there's going to be a 7th Gen I think GM might need to revisit the design and produce a car that's more practical, otherwise it's not going to be financially viable.

You’re right. I’ve been away so long that I forgot 7th Gen was already in motion as I was leaving (2017). I never got to see any of the renderings or clays so I don’t really know much about the plan. But I was involved in a lot of the early powertrain discussion. Pretty sure most of that has been flushed by now. COVID, chip shortage, supply chain, and near total collapse of the affordable sports car market have happened since then.

Originally Posted by DaveC113

Also, I am surprised GM hasn't turned Corvette into a brand with a SUV and something like a SS sedan and/or Camaro coupe.

GM makes a lot of really odd decisions, they're often their own worst enemy.

That was in motion too. I think where we are now is a delay of the plan as opposed to a melt and re-pour.

[DaveC113]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

You’re right. I’ve been away so long that I forgot 7th Gen was already in motion as I was leaving (2017). I never got to see any of the renderings or clays so I don’t really know much about the plan. But I was involved in a lot of the early powertrain discussion. Pretty sure most of that has been flushed by now. COVID, chip shortage, supply chain, and near total collapse of the affordable sports car market have happened since then.



That was in motion too. I think where we are now is a delay of the plan as opposed to a melt and re-pour.

It would be cool if someone would leak the 7th Gen renderings, I'd love to see what they were thinking. I can't imagine it would be much different, both in style and drivetrain, but who knows.

The new Mustang might not be selling well bc of the price, I'd rather just buy a slightly used S550. Could be a challenge for a new Camaro too, but selling it under Corvette as a new brand could be compelling and help it compete with cars like the BMW M2. Also, I can't believe there isn't a Corvette SUV, like a sporty version of the Escalade. I think it would be very successful, while I can't understand the appeal of high-$ high-performance SUVs they are very popular.

The lack of Corvette branded cars and the axing the 7th Gen Camaro bc they plan on going all-in on EVs is incomprehensible to me. The lack of foresight on EVs is especially troubling, especially when Toyota and Honda got it so right. Did they not even consider their position on EVs? IMO, EVs are the future but not with today's tech and infrastructure. Teslas were a trend for rich folks to keep them from feeling guilty about buying expensive cars and virtue signaling, exactly like the South Park episode.

GM's attitude towards performance cars is also often incomprehensible. Again, the Japanese realized that the lack of performance cars in their lineup is an issue. Not every car needs to be equally profitable, having performance cars helps sell their other cars. Many people didn't even know a 6th Gen Camaro existed or was anything different from the 5th gen cars. At the same time Dodge's marketing of the Challenger was a smash hit.

Of course hindsight is 20/20 but I hope GM can do a better job predicting trends and seeing things for what they are... Axing the Camaro was a bad decision and it seems like they're going to continue making the bad decision not to resurrect it, either as a Camaro or a Corvette. Not everyone can afford a Corvette, and the Alpha chassis production continues for Caddies which makes the lack of Camaro all the more perplexing.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by DaveC113

It would be cool if someone would leak the 7th Gen renderings, I'd love to see what they were thinking. I can't imagine it would be much different, both in style and drivetrain, but who knows.

The new Mustang might not be selling well bc of the price, I'd rather just buy a slightly used S550. Could be a challenge for a new Camaro too, but selling it under Corvette as a new brand could be compelling and help it compete with cars like the BMW M2. Also, I can't believe there isn't a Corvette SUV, like a sporty version of the Escalade. I think it would be very successful, while I can't understand the appeal of high-$ high-performance SUVs they are very popular.

The lack of Corvette branded cars and the axing the 7th Gen Camaro bc they plan on going all-in on EVs is incomprehensible to me. The lack of foresight on EVs is especially troubling, especially when Toyota and Honda got it so right. Did they not even consider their position on EVs? IMO, EVs are the future but not with today's tech and infrastructure. Teslas were a trend for rich folks to keep them from feeling guilty about buying expensive cars and virtue signaling, exactly like the South Park episode.

GM's attitude towards performance cars is also often incomprehensible. Again, the Japanese realized that the lack of performance cars in their lineup is an issue. Not every car needs to be equally profitable, having performance cars helps sell their other cars. Many people didn't even know a 6th Gen Camaro existed or was anything different from the 5th gen cars. At the same time Dodge's marketing of the Challenger was a smash hit.

Of course hindsight is 20/20 but I hope GM can do a better job predicting trends and seeing things for what they are... Axing the Camaro was a bad decision and it seems like they're going to continue making the bad decision not to resurrect it, either as a Camaro or a Corvette. Not everyone can afford a Corvette, and the Alpha chassis production continues for Caddies which makes the lack of Camaro all the more perplexing.

Very well said, Dave

[Alan47717]

Careful Dave, there are several experts here who will explain to you that marketing (or the lack there of) had nothing to do with the demise of the 6th gen.

I think I will go back to watching the latest Mecum auction to see Ford and Dodge marketing efforts promote their products.

[NYTMARE23]

Originally Posted by Alan47717

Careful Dave, there are several experts here who will explain to you that marketing (or the lack there of) had nothing to do with the demise of the 6th gen.

I think I will go back to watching the latest Mecum auction to see Ford and Dodge marketing efforts promote their products.

LACK of Marketing ABSOLUTELY was a big part of the Camaro dying. Can someone explain or show a commercial featuring the 6th Gen Camaro and provide the year it was "advertised"?.
The MOST that I have ever seen an advertisement for ANY Camaro was prior to the release of and during the FIRST Transformers movie in 2007 for the 5th Gen!!!! I personally NEVER saw an advertisement for the 6th gen. If there was one, I missed it or never saw it, which also means it was NOT advertised or marketed very much. How the hell do you as a car company expect to sell something that you don't REGULARLY put out to the public!!??

[DeuceCam]

Lack of marketing didn't help. I think the poor visibility and practicality (trunk opening size, back seat room, etc.) were equal factors. (The visibility is so bad that it could be a meme; pretty much every car review bluntly pointed that out; but you'll still see people here defending their purchases saying the visibility isn't poor.)

[DeuceCam]

Originally Posted by DaveC113

It would be cool if someone would leak the 7th Gen renderings, I'd love to see what they were thinking. I can't imagine it would be much different, both in style and drivetrain, but who knows.

The new Mustang might not be selling well bc of the price, I'd rather just buy a slightly used S550. Could be a challenge for a new Camaro too, but selling it under Corvette as a new brand could be compelling and help it compete with cars like the BMW M2. Also, I can't believe there isn't a Corvette SUV, like a sporty version of the Escalade. I think it would be very successful, while I can't understand the appeal of high-$ high-performance SUVs they are very popular.

The lack of Corvette branded cars and the axing the 7th Gen Camaro bc they plan on going all-in on EVs is incomprehensible to me. The lack of foresight on EVs is especially troubling, especially when Toyota and Honda got it so right. Did they not even consider their position on EVs? IMO, EVs are the future but not with today's tech and infrastructure. Teslas were a trend for rich folks to keep them from feeling guilty about buying expensive cars and virtue signaling, exactly like the South Park episode.

GM's attitude towards performance cars is also often incomprehensible. Again, the Japanese realized that the lack of performance cars in their lineup is an issue. Not every car needs to be equally profitable, having performance cars helps sell their other cars. Many people didn't even know a 6th Gen Camaro existed or was anything different from the 5th gen cars. At the same time Dodge's marketing of the Challenger was a smash hit.

Of course hindsight is 20/20 but I hope GM can do a better job predicting trends and seeing things for what they are... Axing the Camaro was a bad decision and it seems like they're going to continue making the bad decision not to resurrect it, either as a Camaro or a Corvette. Not everyone can afford a Corvette, and the Alpha chassis production continues for Caddies which makes the lack of Camaro all the more perplexing.

Toyota and Honda's approach to full EV's was smart: They saw that practicality, infrastructure, and affordability aren't there for mass EV adoption, so they didn't put a lot of eggs in the full EV basket, yet. They realized that hybrid vehicles are a realistic (potential) stepping stone to full EV vehicles, and leaned into it.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by DeuceCam

Lack of marketing didn't help. I think the poor visibility and practicality (trunk opening size, back seat room, etc.) were equal factors. (The visibility is so bad that it could be a meme; pretty much every car review bluntly pointed that out; but you'll still see people here defending their purchases saying the visibility isn't poor.)

I was at Lime Rock park 1.5 weeks ago and I literally could not see the apex of turn 3 when I turned my head to look where I was going. Just had to hope I turned in at the right time. For everyone that says you get used to it, yes we do but we never should have had to. You don’t know the visibility you’re missing until you sit in something else. I considered selling my current car multiple times and every time I sat in something else (Mustang, C6, C7, etc) I was in disbelief how much more visibility they have.

[2SS Capt]

Originally Posted by DeuceCam

Lack of marketing didn't help. I think the poor visibility and practicality (trunk opening size, back seat room, etc.) were equal factors. (The visibility is so bad that it could be a meme; pretty much every car review bluntly pointed that out; but you'll still see people here defending their purchases saying the visibility isn't poor.)

I agree, needed to be marketed to survive.

The HD Camera Rearview Mirror on the upper level trims (3LT, 2SS, ZL1) is a total game changer when it comes to visibility... Makes the car completely drivable...

[clg82]

Originally Posted by DeuceCam

Lack of marketing didn't help. I think the poor visibility and practicality (trunk opening size, back seat room, etc.) were equal factors. (The visibility is so bad that it could be a meme; pretty much every car review bluntly pointed that out; but you'll still see people here defending their purchases saying the visibility isn't poor.)

I'd take the lack of visibility over buying a new S650 any day. A fully optioned GT is damn near ZL1 prices.

[DeuceCam]

Originally Posted by 2SS Capt

I agree, needed to be marketed to survive.

The HD Camera Rearview Mirror on the upper level trims (3LT, 2SS, ZL1) is a total game changer when it comes to visibility... Makes the car completely drivable...

I don't have that feature, but it would help a lot. However, it doesn't do anything for the poor visibility out of the front.

Originally Posted by clg82

I'd take the lack of visibility over buying a new S650 any day. A fully optioned GT is damn near ZL1 prices.

Same here, but the average person doesn't think like us. New GT's start in the low 40's, though, and it seems to be a buyer's market. I've seen quite a few new mustangs, including GT's, on the road (only a couple dark horses, though).

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by DeuceCam

...
Same here, but the average person doesn't think like us. New GT's start in the low 40's, though, and it seems to be a buyer's market. I've seen quite a few new mustangs, including GT's, on the road (only a couple dark horses, though).

FWIW - Mustang sold 48,605 in the US in 2023, 44,003 in 2024, and so far in 2025 about 23,500
Mach E sold 40,771 in 2023, 51,745 in 2024, and so far in 2025 about 22,000.

By contrast Camaro sold 31,028 in 2023, 5,859 in 2024.

[TheEnthusiast]

LOL she needs to be fired and replaced with someone who knows what they are doing. EV Camaro? gimme a break.

[tortilla-flats]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

FWIW - Mustang sold 48,605 in the US in 2023, 44,003 in 2024, and so far in 2025 about 23,500
Mach E sold 40,771 in 2023, 51,745 in 2024, and so far in 2025 about 22,000.

By contrast Camaro sold 31,028 in 2023, 5,859 in 2024.

Sometimes its not about the dollars but about the brand. Chevy as long been synonymous with working man performance. With Corvette splitting off as its own brand, whats left?