[Megahurtz]

Originally Posted by ZLElvira

Lead to the plug wire.

Using wheel speed would be way off as there was so much slip. If you watch my video, we would break traction on the rollers as the torque comes on so strong. It makes me wonder if there is an advantage to keeping the cam phaser... something Brian Tooley also recommends with some of his Cam packages.

My brother did not use the GM maps as a base, he started from scratch and built a true tune as if you were starting from nothing. Doing this gives a fresh indication on how the systems work together or not at all.

Again, we were putting heat in the drivetrain and tires with the plan to simulate road course heat and see if any timing was being pulled after a dozen WOT runs from 2nd to 7th gear. The result was ZERO... and it will repeat that with E20-40%.

My car doesn't pull IAT timing either in good weather. But I also have more mods than you and don't put down 790 rwhp

I'm skeptical until you post up a drag slip or draggy results.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by RobZL1

Yep. Said the same thing a month ago on another post about this miraculous tuning. Show me the dragy, then we can talk.

This is presumably the best time of year to go out on the freeway and grab a Dragy time.

[Patriot Motorsports USA]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

Still can't make that kind of power on those mods. Any reasonable dyno is going show no more than 700whp on these cars on 93 octane without any fueling mods or meth injection. On a E50, these cars would be limited to around 650whp without fueling mods or meth injection. 790whp is just NOT possible with the mods you listed.

This is simply not true. In fact... I could go much higher with my E-Content than my E40% mixture and still had plenty of fueling to add more timing.

What is true... is that the Tuning Industry for consumers is full of shops that want to "Step-Sell" packages and tuning for such, but only set levels that are "safe" for their customers not to blow up and talk smack online. This is how shops get filled up with customers to pay the bills waiting on the next part to be installed to get to the "Next Tuning Level" and to realize another stage.

I ask you... if someone actually tuned your car all the way to the highest capability, what is the incentive for you to buy more parts if you are making more power than others with less? I do not have this incentive in my tuning to do it in stages or modify it to make it less reliable with far worse streetability. For decades, my tuning was for one purpose... to win races mostly in stock or restricted categories. I found the power in places where others do not look... I solve the setbacks others detune sensors to cover up and roll the dice by desensitizing knock sensors, or poor thermal control. So its cool if you all have questions, disbelief or flat-out don't care... I'm not into drag racing anymore, street racing or trying to prove anything to anyone. I find it to be a total waste of my time to sit in staging lanes for hours to make one pass, only to have a Honduh drop oil all over the track a few passes before... to find glory in a 9-10sec pass. I used to do that stuff with my GTR... been there, done that. I enjoy Road Racing... for 25-30 minute sessions flat out with no failures, which is my journey with this car. The best fun is sharing this free info with everyone and reading the comments. I will do the same with the Shocker ZLE but its clear that I will most likely set up a Patreon to share the truth and those who want to build a reliable package, can subscribe to it as others have created a complete online store using my ideas already.

And yes, I ordered a Dragy... and it arrives tomorrow.

Here's some of the old footage from tuning my GTR on 93-octane pump gas in prep for the OLOA event. It would run a 10.60@135 on street tires, stock engine with downpipes, exhaust and injectors.

[Bangkok_ZL1]

Sorry Bro, I have to make fun a bit.... That first run, you were lucky your car had the juice, cause you really got left dreaming about lights on a Christmas tree or something, Was there a hot woman with the major rack at the track?... Cause with a GTR it's rarely a traction issue....LOL. Tell me your neighbor had a money shot. In all seriousness, can't wait to see what you do to your Z.

[clg82]

Originally Posted by JSH

When my previous motor was heads/valve train, FBO, but stock TB and SC, I did the Kong Xport and picked up close to 100 hp on 100 octane.

Wouldn't this be more indicative of the higher octane as opposed to the actual port?

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by ZLElvira

This is simply not true. In fact... I could go much higher with my E-Content than my E40% mixture and still had plenty of fueling to add more timing.

What is true... is that the Tuning Industry for consumers is full of shops that want to "Step-Sell" packages and tuning for such, but only set levels that are "safe" for their customers not to blow up and talk smack online. This is how shops get filled up with customers to pay the bills waiting on the next part to be installed to get to the "Next Tuning Level" and to realize another stage.

I ask you... if someone actually tuned your car all the way to the highest capability, what is the incentive for you to buy more parts if you are making more power than others with less? I do not have this incentive in my tuning to do it in stages or modify it to make it less reliable with far worse streetability. For decades, my tuning was for one purpose... to win races mostly in stock or restricted categories. I found the power in places where others do not look... I solve the setbacks others detune sensors to cover up and roll the dice by desensitizing knock sensors, or poor thermal control. So its cool if you all have questions, disbelief or flat-out don't care... I'm not into drag racing anymore, street racing or trying to prove anything to anyone. I find it to be a total waste of my time to sit in staging lanes for hours to make one pass, only to have a Honduh drop oil all over the track a few passes before... to find glory in a 9-10sec pass. I used to do that stuff with my GTR... been there, done that. I enjoy Road Racing... for 25-30 minute sessions flat out with no failures, which is my journey with this car. The best fun is sharing this free info with everyone and reading the comments. I will do the same with the Shocker ZLE but its clear that I will most likely set up a Patreon to share the truth and those who want to build a reliable package, can subscribe to it as others have created a complete online store using my ideas already.

And yes, I ordered a Dragy... and it arrives tomorrow.

Here's some of the old footage from tuning my GTR on 93-octane pump gas in prep for the OLOA event. It would run a 10.60@135 on street tires, stock engine with downpipes, exhaust and injectors.

its 100% true, your dyno is very inaccurate and you're not convincing anyone here otherwise that has tuned these cars and dyno'd them on legit dynos.

[radz28]

A couple of these guys DO tune, and tune their own cars. I'm fairly certain the cars are calibrated to near-perfection.

[Megahurtz]

I tune these cars all day long. ZELvira's results are certainly an outlier. I will be awaiting to see the draggy results.

What should the 60-130 draggy be with the power advertised? Mid-upper 5.x range.
What do I expect the 60-130 draggy to be? Mid to upper 6's at best, but mostly I expect low 7's.

But hey we might all be surprised. If so, I would expect everyone to run to ZElvira to duplicate the build and tune. Because its downright magical.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by clg82

Wouldn't this be more indicative of the higher octane as opposed to the actual port?

The motor always ran 100 octane before and after Xport. I have the dyno graphs somewhere, but this is my recollection of both my results and Kong's prediction.

[Patriot Motorsports USA]

Originally Posted by Megahurtz

I tune these cars all day long. ZELvira's results are certainly an outlier. I will be awaiting to see the draggy results.

What should the 60-130 draggy be with the power advertised? Mid-upper 5.x range.
What do I expect the 60-130 draggy to be? Mid to upper 6's at best, but mostly I expect low 7's.

But hey we might all be surprised. If so, I would expect everyone to run to ZElvira to duplicate the build and tune. Because its downright magical.

I honestly do not believe my 60-130 will be very representative of someone set up doing this with a drag racing focus. I will post results, but my alignment is for road racing with -2.5º rear camber, so I am not putting all the power to the ground in a straight line. I was planning to run Sick Week right now, but my GF broke her leg last week and ended those plans.

So we shall see after I get both cars loaded into the trailer and heading back to SC from Road Atlanta this past weekend.

Stay TUNED!

[Megahurtz]

Originally Posted by ZLElvira

I honestly do not believe my 60-130 will be very representative of someone set up doing this with a drag racing focus. I will post results, but my alignment is for road racing with -2.5º rear camber, so I am not putting all the power to the ground in a straight line. I was planning to run Sick Week right now, but my GF broke her leg last week and ended those plans.

So we shall see after I get both cars loaded into the trailer and heading back to SC from Road Atlanta this past weekend.

Stay TUNED!

1/4 mile racing is the perfect place to capture your 60-130. At your power level you should be trapping well over 130mph by the time you hit the 1/4 mark.

You can set the draggy up to capture 1/4 mile AND 60-130. You can also set it to capture 100-150mph if you think you will trap that high.

Even so, share your 1/4 mile drag slip if you're setup for drag racing.

[clg82]

Originally Posted by Megahurtz

1/4 mile racing is the perfect place to capture your 60-130. At your power level you should be trapping well over 130mph by the time you hit the 1/4 mark.

You can set the draggy up to capture 1/4 mile AND 60-130. You can also set it to capture 100-150mph if you think you will trap that high.

Even so, share your 1/4 mile drag slip if you're setup for drag racing.

Question on the draggy and not to derail this thread, are they really that accurate, seems like there would be a lot of room for error on something as unsophisticated as it seems to work? How are they at capturing accurate 1/4 mile times when you're not on a prepped surface? I get the 60-130 since their isn't much room for error there.

[dreksnot]

Originally Posted by clg82

Question on the draggy and not to derail this thread, are they really that accurate, seems like there would be a lot of room for error on something as unsophisticated as it seems to work? How are they at capturing accurate 1/4 mile times when you're not on a prepped surface? I get the 60-130 since their isn't much room for error there.

They are surprisingly accurate. Close hundredth of a second off for a quarter.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by clg82

Question on the draggy and not to derail this thread, are they really that accurate, seems like there would be a lot of room for error on something as unsophisticated as it seems to work? How are they at capturing accurate 1/4 mile times when you're not on a prepped surface? I get the 60-130 since their isn't much room for error there.

Very accurate.