[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by FlukeSS

Funny, I worked for a Union Shop as well, and that's exactly the same situation for me.

30 minutes on 30 minutes off between 2 people for 8 hours.

For a 2 man job that only required 1 man to do. They moved me off that job into the worst job in the entire plant.

Unions are good and bad. Good when you need them, bad when you don't.

Incidentally, I was 3 minutes late for work one time, I was told to wait for 45 minutes for the Union supervisor who was also late, then suspended for a week.

They wanted me to return to work, and I told them to get ef'd. I was working back to back 16 hour shifts. On top of which they had me working with Nitric Acid, without any protective gear other than eye glasses which is a violation of OSHA regulation as far as I was aware.

You don't pull that crap with me and expect me to respect your authority much less in an unsafe environment.

And the reason they did all this to me? Because my Dad was 2nd highest in the company who was trying to get rid of the Union and people learned who I was.

Toxic work environment is an understatement to say the least. And my Dad didn't blame me for quitting.

Ok, I'll try to make this my last trip down memory lane. Mid 1980s. No longer a coop student. Fulltime salaried employee and I have my first supervisor job. I supervised the tool cribs across three plants. All the employees were union, three of them with seniority that started before my mother was born. Tool crib is an easy job so it takes high seniority to get it.

This is the incident that had a Committeeman (union steward) scream at me in the parking lot...

The youngest guy in one of the tool cribs was a raging alcoholic and the older guys hated his guts. He did something that really could have gotten him fired. It is more than likely that the older guys set him up. So I needed to work with the Committeeman (Basil) to make a case for whatever the punishment would be. Even though firing him was an option, I didn't think I could get Basil to work with me on that. Plus I had a friend who was a supervisor in another plant who had a guy pull a gun on him IN THE PLANT after my friend fired him. Plus I was tired of going back and forth with Basil. So he got time off without pay and was required to check into a treatment plan that the company paid for. Basil caught up with me in the parking lot and said (screamed actually) "What the eff is wrong with you?!?! Why didn't you fire the sonofabitch?". I was totally confused because Basil bent over backwards defending him in the hearings. Basil explained to me that as Committeeman he was basically the guy's lawyer and he had to put up a fight, but he was clear that if I had pushed a little harder he would have folded.

[90503]

Good movie, if you haven't seen it!!

[Alan47717]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Now woke apparently means "anything I don't like". What about GM could possibly be classified as "woke"?

Woke: alert to and concerned about social injustice and discrimination

Woke and Maga have become the interchangeable curse words used against "anything I don't like" by (insert political philosophy here). They are perfect for their intended purpose. No one really knows what they mean, don't have to worry about being censored for using them and are ideal click bait for You Tube videos.

Not particularly useful for adult conversation.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Alan47717

Woke and Maga have become the interchangeable curse words used against "anything I don't like" by (insert political philosophy here). They are perfect for their intended purpose. No one really knows what they mean, don't have to worry about being censored for using them and are ideal click bait for You Tube videos.

Not particularly useful for adult conversation.

NAILED it.

[dpevans]

Don't worry the Camaro V8 is never coming back and it has nothing to do with low sales, manufacturing or anything else you seen or heard it has everything to do with federal emissions mandates and that's not going to change. Even if Trump rolled back all the emissions standards that have been set in place GM cannot risk in 4, 8 or even 12 years down the road for another president to continue to declare war on fossil fuels. States like CA and the west coast will continue with eliminating oil products including cars. So unless the Camaro is rebadged as a EV you'll never see it again.

[GreenZLE]

Originally Posted by dpevans

Don't worry the Camaro V8 is never coming back and it has nothing to do with low sales, manufacturing or anything else you seen or heard it has everything to do with federal emissions mandates and that's not going to change. Even if Trump rolled back all the emissions standards that have been set in place GM cannot risk in 4, 8 or even 12 years down the road for another president to continue to declare war on fossil fuels. States like CA and the west coast will continue with eliminating oil products including cars. So unless the Camaro is rebadged as a EV you'll never see it again.

Another excellent post! The simple fact is, if you were alive and driving a car 20 years ago, even in California, you know pollution was essentially eliminated, meaning all these new mandates were a waste of time.

The idea of CO2 being a pollutant is a joke, but quite a few suckers have bought into it.

The heavy pollution that was created in America up through the EPA mandates now happens unabated overseas. NOTHING has gotten better, its gotten worse, just not here. America has paid the price with jobs leaving the country. Had we kept the jobs here, we could have at least regulated the pollution.

I guess the powers that be dont believe pollution is a problem!

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by cdb95z28

I had 13 years in a former Bethlehem steel mill and currently almost 18 years in a power plant and I can tell you both had times where there were outside influences that suggested hiring based on race and gender. Both companies complied. Shouldn't a business be allowed to hire based on the merits and content of character of the applicants no matter the race, creed or orientation?

I agree it is part of the consideration but never the sole reason. If it was up to a bunch of white guys hiring more white guys we would actually have a problem.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

When I was a co-op student one of my assignments was in the engine plant. This happened...

There was a guy who for the sake of this story will be called Skip. I can't remember his real name, although I did know him during the occurrence of these events. Skip was a utility man, meaning he worked across a number of departments filling in for absentees and vacations. He pretty much knew every job in the plant. All the supervisors loved him because he knew all the jobs and had perfect attendance.

I was working in Industrial Engineering, so I spent a fair amount of time on the floor and saw Skip working in multiple capacities. One day Skip got injured on the job and needed to be taken to medical. He tried not to go, but the injury was such that they would not let him leave the property without treatment. So they get him to medical. In filling out the paperwork they asked for his employee number. Probably social security number. This was the early '80s. He couldn't remember it.

After some checking they came to find out that Skip was not an employee. Here's how that came about...

The Buick engine plant was running 7 days a week and on overtime for years. The 3.8L V6 was installed in everything and this was the only plant that made it. So the employees were banking tons of $$ but didn't have enough free time to spend it. One day an employee asked his neighbor, Skip, to punch in for him and cover his shift. He paid Skip in cash. It worked so well that other employees asked him to set up the same hookup with Skip. Over time, Skip had so many "customers" that he was in the plant everyday. Nobody (except his customers) realized he was not actually on the payroll. Lots of people were fired.

Another assignment I was in the sheet metal plant working 3rd shift to help set up a machine maintenance program. Got to know the crane operator really well. He showed me where all the "stores" were in the plant. One guy sold coffee. There was a popcorn vendor, a hot dog and sausage vendor, a candy vendor. Probably the coolest thing he showed me was the steel coil beds. He was the crane operator who would deliver the large steel coils to the stamping presses. At the start of each shift he would tell all his friends which coils were scheduled to be picked up. Then they would set up cardboard beds inside the coils at the opposite end of the inventory bank and take their naps there. It was quite a wild time in the plants.

LOL reminds me of the “2nd floor” of our storage facility. In the back was an apartment the guys had set up for naps etc.

[MT-SS1LE]

Our new President has stated today "Americans will be able to buy the cars they want." No more idiotic EV mandates, thank god.

Bring back the ICE Camaro!

[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by MT-SS1LE

Our new President has stated today "Americans will be able to buy the cars they want." No more idiotic EV mandates, thank god.

I am interested to see how this goes. We were already not adopting EVs fast enough (depending on who you talk too) due to consumers not meeting up to regulators expectations. Ill be watching social media and data more closely.

[2SS Capt]

Hopefully someone at GM has a 7th Gen Camaro all designed and ready to go with an ICE V8 based on the latest chassis...

Trump said "Drill Baby, Drill!" we need something to burn that Dino-Juice, ain't gonna be no Prius Prime!

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Number 3

I agree it is part of the consideration but never the sole reason. If it was up to a bunch of white guys hiring more white guys we would actually have a problem.

This is easily one the most racist statements I've read on this forum. I hope you see why, Number 3.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

This is easily one the most racist statements I've read on this forum. I hope you see why, Number 3.

Huh? Not quite. Guessing you haven't done a lot of hiring.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Huh? Not quite. Guessing you haven't done a lot of hiring.

That would be wrong, Sir.

First you said "it [DEI] is part of the conversation but never the sole reason". This should never be part of the conversation, the same way no other protected attribute should be used to filter, preference or impact the hiring decision positively or negatively.

The way it works in woke corporate is that you as a HM are given annual and multi-year quotas/targets that you are scored against, plus HR prefilters the candidate pool in accordance with these target numbers, so by the time they enter the interview stage, the stream consists of (vast) majority preferred candidates, be they women, hispanics, blacks, LGBTQ, whichever group is the highlight of the current DEI hiring target. If you don't see how this is a problem, I probably need to rest my case.

Then your next statement is "if it was up to a bunch of white guys hiring more white guys we would actually have a problem", which means you don't think the previous practice is a problem, plus you insinuate that a "bunch of white guys" will want to hire "more white guys".

No, Sir, we want to hire the best candidates, and also no, being white isn't part of the definition of "best". For example, if I have 10 positions open and the very best candidate for each is of Asian origin, I will hire 10 engineers of Asian origin and have a 0% white, 0% black, 0% latino, 100% Asian new hire mix (this isn't even far-fetched unfortunately), and all others have our work cut out to improve so next time the distribution is different. Heck, even the use of these categories is already racist, but I sure didn't invent either them or approve of their prevalence in the discussion...

All this added up is what prompted my comment.