[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Practicality is the issue. Otherwise, the 6th gen was a well-rounded car for the money. The fact that it's more difficult to see out of and almost non-useable back seat make it less attractive for those that can only afford 1 car. Hence why you see so many Chargers and Challengers running around. The masses don't compare lap times or 0-60. They see big comfy ride with lots of HP and it has their attention. GM already has the Corvette for a 2 seat option, and the Cadillac is out of reach for many. They need to bring back an affordable big 2 door or 4 door car like Pontiac G8 GT. Give it a 6.2 with Awd and watch it sell like hot cakes. It's going to take something like this to draw buyers in since most want a SUV or Crossover to daily. The problem is it likely won't met Cafe standards or whatever. Hence why everything is now trending to a 4cylinder turbo.

I wouldn't mind seeing a variant of the 2007 era GTO personally.

[cdb95z28]

What is affordable?
More affordable? Than what? For who?
That's a wide threshold.

And what would a successful Gen7 entail? In GM's eyes? In the consumer's eyes?


I agree with the marketing angle, both the Gen5 & Gen6 were not marketed effectively. The Gen5/6 had more niche slots, that is, more defined segments within it's own brand. That brings in the hardcore customers on the performance variants. More niche than the Challenger at least. The Mustang has had lots niche slots over the life of a platform but some are not as hardcore within that slot. The Mustang brand has the Mustang legacy pulling it around for sales.

The Gen5 did very well on sales, especially the Gen5 2014 refresh. The Gen6 was not revolutionary like the Gen5 was, so it already was not going to captivate potential new buyers. Most non partisan buyers don't really care that the Gen6 was x amount lighter or more dynamic or ran a road course or drag strip better. With that being said, more marketing could have helped the non partisan sales, but not a massive amount to matter, IMHO.

A Gen7 ICE isn't going to happen under the current GM leadership and vision. And as long as the climate change/anti carbon bullshit is pushed, corporations and the government won't budge. Economically, the 2 door muscle car/sports car market is very small. Some manufacturers can justify the commitment for small sales. And any revenue is small and pales in comparison to what they make on the bread and butter segments.

[GearheadSS]

Neither will matter if the masses don't want it.

[redcoats1976]

it should be more practical and affordable.maybe a hatchback for easier loading instead of the tiny trunk opening.the T4/A10 combo was peppy around town and off lights but it sounded like a lawn mower.however there are a lot more built without the V8 or ZL-1.lots of people like a sporty car that handles well but dont "need" 500 horsepower. the ZL-1 and V8 should still be available for thise that dont mind paying the premium price.

[Bosse'sBoss]

When I bought my 6th gen Camaro, the first thing that I noticed was the rear seating space of my 5th gen Camaro was gone.

[redcoats1976]

i still have my 5th gen because the cabin is bigger.however with the front seats back all the way the rear seat is more of an upholstered package tray.still better thasn my previous car which was a pontiac solstice,it needed about 2 inches more in the legroom department and the trunk was laughable.

[TheEnthusiast]

Originally Posted by FlukeSS

I was going to say I can't agree with anyone who said marketing.

Marketing doesn't reduce the price of a vehicle it increases it.

$7000 for the 1LE package. On a car that was normally priced around $43,000 - $47,000

Anyone remember when ZL1's were $67,000... And used 2018+ were going for $45,000-$60,000? I do.

used 2018+ ZL1...for $45k Maybe with like 80k miles on it.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by redcoats1976

however there are a lot more built without the V8 or ZL-1.lots of people like a sporty car that handles well but dont "need" 500 horsepower. the ZL-1 and V8 should still be available for thise that dont mind paying the premium price.

That actually isn’t the case with the gen6 Camaro. There is a thread here that contains all the details for ALL the Camaro’s built from 2020-2024. Believe it or not more V8’s were made than i4’s and V6’s combined. It is still very close to a 50/50 split but I was surprised to see a slight edge given to the V8.

I’d be willing to bet this isn’t the case with the Mustang and more i4’s are built than V8’s. If that’s the case I’d say the Camaro attracts a very different kind of buyer which unfortunately for GM is the minority.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by TheEnthusiast

used 2018+ ZL1...for $45k Maybe with like 80k miles on it.

In late 2019/prepandemic you absolutely could get low mileage ZL1’s in the high 40’s. Keep in mind they were only 2 year old cars at the time too. Remember the new ones started at like 64k before incentives during that time period. Before Chevy started significantly holding back production of them people weren’t buying Camaro’s compared to the competition. They had horrible resale. Post pandemic they have become one of the better value holding cars.

[pzoom]

Maybe it was just me, but I didn't know the Gen6 1LE existed, the numbers, and fun factor. I assumed it was a warmed over gen5.

I was set on getting a GT350/C7GS/C8 anyway but I was complaining about lack of inventory/price when someone suggested the latest 1LE (2021).

I would have loved a hatchback and cupholders like my gen3 T/A instead of the tiny opening and uncomfortable/weirdly cut center console. But I understand decisions were made lol

oh, and it would have been nice for a small HP boost in 2020 to get sales/interest up, but GM didn't care. I'm sure they were just ready to kill it.

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

In late 2019/prepandemic you absolutely could get low mileage ZL1’s in the high 40’s. Keep in mind they were only 2 year old cars at the time too. Remember the new ones started at like 64k before incentives during that time period. Before Chevy started significantly holding back production of them people weren’t buying Camaro’s compared to the competition. They had horrible resale. Post pandemic they have become one of the better value holding cars.

Originally Posted by TheEnthusiast

used 2018+ ZL1...for $45k Maybe with like 80k miles on it.

Yep. 20-30k miles. Sometimes even as low as 10-20k miles.

Even low mileage hellcats were selling for 45-60k

I bought my 2016 Camaro around 2018, but was looking at Charger hellcats at the time as well because of the interrior space available, but finally decided on my 2016 Camaro SS. My 2016 SS had 22k miles on it. My current 2020 SS had 31k miles on it, and I bought in February of 2020 for $37,000 out the door.

[JT6Speed]

I would've loved to see an LT2 upgrade. They missed a great opportunity, and could have potentially badged a Z/28 with that powertrain.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by JT6Speed

I would've loved to see an LT2 upgrade. They missed a great opportunity, and could have potentially badged a Z/28 with that powertrain.

Agreed. Put it in the SS 1LE, make it come with BCD RPO brakes and call it a z/28.

I don’t want to hear from anyone that says “LT2 was designed to only fit in the C8”. That’s BS. It’s still a 6.2 Chevy small block. All Chevy had to do was modify the intake a little like the aftermarket companies do for a small fee, smack a wet sump oil pump on it like the one on the LT1 and use the Camaro manifolds. Rate it at 485 hp to account for the manifold difference. I guess what I’m describing is a heads cam intake upgrade for the LT1, a lot like what Chevy did for the Ls6 in the c5 z06 back in the day.

[Need4Camaro]

It is kind of interesting that the 6th Gen is such a big car but has almost no back seat and the trunk space entrance is non existent. Why did they may the trunk entrance so small and why is the cabin so compact?