[pbSS]

Originally Posted by RideWithDanger

Best axleback for these cars is the AWE Touring, hands down. Super deep and aggressive growl.

Even after adding headers, I converted to the resonated catback touring and its still not raspy. Just a deep muscle car sound, exactly how I wanted. Its the deepest sounding exhaust I have ever heard for the Camaro. Don't let the name fool you though, its much louder than stock.

Axleback only:

Headers and full exhaust: https://youtu.be/Gn6_Dv6S1Lo

Nice. I remember coming across your video when I was researching for a new exhaust (see my post above), and it helped me decide as well.

[dmcmahan60]

Originally Posted by pbSS

FWIW, I ordered their resonators and xpipe too (AWE), which haven't come in yet so I ended up postponing my install. The car I did hear it on in person was stock with secondary cat delete - so noted on the raspy comment and why I did end up ordering the resonators/xpipe too.

I'm sure there's some level of subjectivity when it comes to exhausts, not only how we hear different frequencies but how we also describe them. YouTube videos also don't fully capture the differences and overall they sound more similar than dissimilar. There's so many combos and preferences out there so to me it's one of those things with exhausts that you (figuratively) might need to go through a couple to find the right balance of tone and sound. Most people just recommend what they have (me included).

I would even say the AWE Touring is opposite of raspy, and the reason I'm switching to it. With that said, I likely wouldn't have switched if my Corsa valves didn't start rattling. Many have said that Corsa is raspy, which I don't disagree, but it sounds like a racecar and at WOT at the track there's nothing like it.

Others have sworn that LT Headers with stock suitcase is so good, but to me it sounded tinny and not the sound I was looking for. MBRP sounds good at idle and low revs to me, but it sounds harsh and the typical straight pipe car (which is inherently raspy a bit, which I noted above) when driven more aggressively. It's also very droney and has a rusty feel/look to it.

Time will tell. If I don't like it, I plan on keeping the Corsa anyway (and fix the valves) so I can always revert...or try the next combo

Thanks for the response and I will tell you about my whole debacle about getting headers and an aftermarket x pipe.

To start off I did not do enough research because I thought the shop doing the install and tuning would communicate with me more than they did but did not. Speed Engineering 1 7/8 headers with their 3 in x pipe. when I went to pick the car up, the first time I started it, it sounded like straight piped ass:(

The install looked like crap and had to have it readjusted and it was way to loud and raspy for me. So I took it to a muffler shop to see what my options were. Removed the 3 inch x pipe and reinstalled the stock x pipe with the secondary cats to try and quiet it down a bit.

Stock xpipe added was not enough so 10 inch resonators were added where the crush sections were after the AFM valves are. Did not sound to bad but in certain RPM ranges the raspiness was just too much.

Fast forward 2 weeks ago I removed the AWE mufflers and had Magna Flow mufflers added and the AFM valves removed. Nice deep tone and a hint of drone but not bad. Like I said I should have done more research and ordered Kooks headers along with their cats and been done with it, but lesson learned and I am the one who has to drive it.

[KingLT1]

Most of the Sport or Touring mufflers will be low on rasp. Most of the race, attack, slap ya mama exhausts will be raspy.

[Dynamical]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Most of the Sport or Touring mufflers will be low on rasp. Most of the race, attack, slap ya mama exhausts will be raspy.

Love the description My AWE track slaps the mama and gramma too! But I do realize when I finally get some headers on this car, I'll have to get a muffler to tone down the domestic violence a little or it will be taking out whole families

I been told even the Borla Attak and Corsa Extreme are very close to my AWE muffler delete. One shop told me not even to bother with Attak or Extreme if going with a full header system. I was recommended Borla S Type with a full header system and that seems to be the main consensus here.

Another option is possibly an H pipe? MRT makes one and it's a deeper tone. Just to toss that idea out there

[pbSS]

Originally Posted by dmcmahan60

Thanks for the response and I will tell you about my whole debacle about getting headers and an aftermarket x pipe.

To start off I did not do enough research because I thought the shop doing the install and tuning would communicate with me more than they did but did not. Speed Engineering 1 7/8 headers with their 3 in x pipe. when I went to pick the car up, the first time I started it, it sounded like straight piped ass:(

The install looked like crap and had to have it readjusted and it was way to loud and raspy for me. So I took it to a muffler shop to see what my options were. Removed the 3 inch x pipe and reinstalled the stock x pipe with the secondary cats to try and quiet it down a bit.

Stock xpipe added was not enough so 10 inch resonators were added where the crush sections were after the AFM valves are. Did not sound to bad but in certain RPM ranges the raspiness was just too much.

Fast forward 2 weeks ago I removed the AWE mufflers and had Magna Flow mufflers added and the AFM valves removed. Nice deep tone and a hint of drone but not bad. Like I said I should have done more research and ordered Kooks headers along with their cats and been done with it, but lesson learned and I am the one who has to drive it.

Thanks for the added context, I think we likely have more similar tastes. Most people, whether here on the forums or on teh various Facebook groups are typically "STRAIGHT PIPE YO, DELETE EVERYTHING" and just try to be the loudest car in town. I'm too old for that, and unless it's a dedicated track car, it sounds like a$$ on the streets and nobody is impressed other than the driver lol (no offense to anyone ).

I first did ARH headers to stock muffler/NPP (and removed the stock xpipe/resonator at the midpipe). I did not like that, but like I said others swear by it. It just sounded too rattly/raspy for my taste and had a tinny sound to it. I then addd Corsa NPP to make it more aggressive with valves open (and their NPP quiet mode actually works and quiets the car drastically). Of course, theirs is known to be on the raspier side too...and although I agreed for normal and medium throttle driving, at WOT it sounded glorious. However, it was a little too much for driving around with valves open. The sounds would echoe and richochet off every surface and I didn't quite enjoy it as much as I thought I would. I then added Vibrant Performance resonators (18-inch) and custom piping to replace the crushed pipe section. Those helped a lot and cleaned up the sound by removing some or majority of the harsh edges and raspiness.

However, now that my valves started loosening and rattling a bit, upon further research it appears to be a relatively common issue. Not just with Corsa, but all valves. So now I'm considering swapping to AWE (with resonators and xpipe). Like I said, we'll see. I'm fully prepared that I might not like it once I have it and start driving it, but I'm willing to try it out based on what I heard and read so far.

[Chutzpah]

I’m glad I went with a simple non NPP Corsa sport axle back, nothing more. The back and forth seeing what sounds good, aftermarket rattling valves, combined with the added cost(s) and wasted time, would have driven me nuts.

I’m happy with the reduced rasp and smoothed out tone of the firecracker pops.

[Dynamical]

Originally Posted by Chutzpah

I’m glad I went with a simple non NPP Corsa sport axle back, nothing more. The back and forth seeing what sounds good, aftermarket rattling valves, combined with the added cost(s) and wasted time, would have driven me nuts.

I’m happy with the reduced rasp and smoothed out tone of the firecracker pops.

I feel the same way about my car with it being a NON NPP from factory. I don't have to worry about all that either.

[dmcmahan60]

At this point my only option is to pay $1000 for a Borla S Type axel back system:( I have 144k on my car and don't know how much longer it will be my daily before I park it and make it a weekend car? Thanks for all of the input. You can't tell how these exhaust systems will act or sound by video clips:( You get a whole different experience from the cabin of the car

[pbSS]

Well, today I finally got my full AWE Touring catback installed, including the x-pipe and resonated mid-pipes. I have ARH catless headers, H/C, and FBO so the AWE salesman suggested and recommended resonators and xpipe to tone it down a little bit.

Compared to the Corsa:
- AWE is a bit louder at idle and low/medium throttle.
- AWE is much louder at startup - there's a noticeable "bark".
- Corsa is a bit louder at WOT.
- Both tips are amazing (my two favorite out of all the options), the AWE are slightly larger.
- AWE is definitely growlier/deeper compared to Corsa. It's true what they say, the AWE gives it a bit of the muscle car sound, while the Corsa gives it more of the racecar sound. Best I can describe it is that Corsa is like a panther screaming while the AWE is like a lion or wolf
- It's mostly preference. I'm loving the AWE so far in different ways, as summarized above.

[dmcmahan60]

Originally Posted by pbSS

Well, today I finally got my full AWE Touring catback installed, including the x-pipe and resonated mid-pipes. I have ARH catless headers, H/C, and FBO so the AWE salesman suggested and recommended resonators and xpipe to tone it down a little bit.

Compared to the Corsa:
- AWE is a bit louder at idle and low/medium throttle.
- AWE is much louder at startup - there's a noticeable "bark".
- Corsa is a bit louder at WOT.
- Both tips are amazing (my two favorite out of all the options), the AWE are slightly larger.
- AWE is definitely growlier/deeper compared to Corsa. It's true what they say, the AWE gives it a bit of the muscle car sound, while the Corsa gives it more of the racecar sound. Best I can describe it is that Corsa is like a panther screaming while the AWE is like a lion or wolf
- It's mostly preference. I'm loving the AWE so far in different ways, as summarized above.

Glad to hear that you like it

[SOCAL.M6.ZLE]

Originally Posted by 23VIVIDORANGE1LE

Does anyone make a deep, non raspy sounding axle back exhaust for a 6th Gen Camaro? I love the sound of the ARH exhaust but they do not offer it for a 6th Gen.

AWE Touring with cats...

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by Chutzpah

I’m glad I went with a simple non NPP Corsa sport axle back, nothing more. The back and forth seeing what sounds good, aftermarket rattling valves, combined with the added cost(s) and wasted time, would have driven me nuts.

I’m happy with the reduced rasp and smoothed out tone of the firecracker pops.

After 2 different brand NPP exhausts, 2 replacement Corsa NPP mufflers under warranty, all due to rattling valves, I went to simple Corsa Sport Non NPP and couldn't be happier. Not as quiet as Corsa NPP when closed, but not nearly as loud and raspy when open. It's perfectly fine and livable for a weekend toy. If it was a daily, I would probably want the NPP function, but nobody makes a good NPP valve that doesn't eventually rattle over time. It's not some crazy loud rattle just enough to piss off those who are sensitive to that type of stuff similar to interior vibrations/noises.

[wang970305]

I have a spare set of AWE CATBACK if you are around Houston area

[GreyGhost702]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

It's not some crazy loud rattle just enough to piss off those who are sensitive to that type of stuff similar to interior vibrations/noises.

King after a 1hr cruise with NPP rattle.