[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Kamero6

I don't know about the camaro logic, but older cars (with turn key) will stop the fuel pump if no crank rotation is detected. As soon as you release the clutch and the ECU starts getting crank signal again, it will restart the fuel pumps.

Now that being said, our cars should be able to push start. It would be ridiculous that if the engine stalls in the highway doing 60, you have to stop completely and crank. Having to apply pressure on the brakes is also ridiculous.

Has anyone tried to clear a flood in the engine? Pressing the gas pedal 100% and then cranking? It would be weird to have to press all 3 pedals at the same time.

“Clearing a flood” has been impossible on all cars since the throttle cable disappears and everything went to drive-by-wire. Fuel delivery is 100% managed by the ECM and only the ECM.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by LT4Greg

I have been driving manuals for 45 years and sure I have stalled them too. Currently all 3 of my vehicles are manuals which I have had instances of stalling in traffic including my ZL1 until I got adjusted to the clutch but never would I think of reverse engineering it like you stated. Of course it’s your Camaro to do what you want to do to it. Good luck.��

The clutch switch does the job for safety just fine and has since they started putting them in manual cars in the 1950s.

I’m not trying to eliminate both, Lord knows I’ve seen what can happen when you Hotwire the clutch switch (I worked at Best Buy in the 1990s when car stereos and alarms were all the rage and saw a coworker almost total his Taurus SHO 5 speed with remote start and a bypassed clutch switch)

I’m just actually trying to eliminate what I believe actually IS a safety hazard

[Kamero6]

Originally Posted by olrocker

“Clearing a flood” has been impossible on all cars since the throttle cable disappears and everything went to drive-by-wire. Fuel delivery is 100% managed by the ECM and only the ECM.

It is still a feature. It never went away.

[Classic Muscle]

If you are moving, you don't have to come to a stop to re-start it, lightly pressing the brake pedal will do.

I stall mine all the time. This car/clutch seems to require gas pedal input before letting the clutch pedal out which is not like other cars I've driven.

Anyway, I agree that this is an unnecessary annoyance.

Doing a search, it seems like GM made this change in 2019.

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showt...=579480&page=2

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

I'd contact WAMS, but chances are no one is allowed near the software layer where this is set up. GM are paranoid about lawsuits claiming they allowed "hackers" into their system.

This "safety" feature was most likely mandated by the same flappers in middle management who forced developers to make us hold down seat memory buttons for the seats to move, or to disable the remote window up feature.

Remote window up is Federal. “Unattended” anything is not permitted, even with the auto reverse feature

And with GM cars, having the key will auto adjust seat location for that key so I haven’t had to use the buttons on our XT4. My VW allows a single button push though as it doesn’t recognize the key.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Remote window up is Federal. “Unattended” anything is not permitted, even with the auto reverse feature

And with GM cars, having the key will auto adjust seat location for that key so I haven’t had to use the buttons on our XT4. My VW allows a single button push though as it doesn’t recognize the key.

I don't know why you feel the need to deflect even on this trivial comment.

Remote windows down is enabled on the Camaro, which is just as unattended. BTW I'm positive window up was disabled because a kid might get their fingers stuck in the window and then their parents would sue. I personally never tested auto reverse, I didn't know we had that in the Camaro (do we?).

Auto memory recall is a different feature and a workaround at best. Single button activation movement is such obvious and ancient functionality I struggle to understand why someone would want to force people to hold a button down to operate anything. Again, the only thing I can think of is something getting stuck in the rails or a body part between the door or the floor mat and the seat.

And then again, my wife's 2016 Traverse has single press seat memory button activation plus auto memory recall tied to the fob, so your argument there doesn't hold water either. GM already had this done right, then moved backwards on the Camaro.


Sorry olrocker, didn't mean to hijack the thread with this, but it feels like good indication or symptom of the same underlying problem.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

I don't know why you feel the need to deflect even on this trivial comment.

Remote windows down is enabled on the Camaro, which is just as unattended. BTW I'm positive window up was disabled because a kid might get their fingers stuck in the window and then their parents would sue. I personally never tested auto reverse, I didn't know we had that in the Camaro (do we?).

Auto memory recall is a different feature and a workaround at best. Single button activation movement is such obvious and ancient functionality I struggle to understand why someone would want to force people to hold a button down to operate anything. Again, the only thing I can think of is something getting stuck in the rails or a body part between the door or the floor mat and the seat.

And then again, my wife's 2016 Traverse has single press seat memory button activation plus auto memory recall tied to the fob, so your argument there doesn't hold water either. GM already had this done right, then moved backwards on the Camaro.


Sorry olrocker, didn't mean to hijack the thread with this, but it feels like good indication or symptom of the same underlying problem.

The anti-pinch system works and works very well. I put my finger in the window edge while rolling it up and the second it senses the slightest bit of load it reverses immediately and goes and the way down.