[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by SFV1LE

Do you have much track experience on the 3R? It's an R (race) compound tire and the Supercar 3 is not an R compound tire, the compound rating is the key distinction--the SC3 tread depth and pattern, that helps with water and tire life, is the other distinction.

The 3R is currently the best DOT track tire in the world IMO, I have 3 sets in my garage with various levels of usage from new to nearly done (and also a set of A7 and Pirelli DH). In 5 years I've purchased 15-20 sets of 3Rs, never SC3 because they are not R comp and therefore not good enough for advanced track use and lap times.

But I would consider SC 3 for spirited street use and rainy days at the track--I prefer PS4S for street. The unique strength for the SC3 is that it can handle real track heat without crumbling, other similar high performance street tires like PS4S do not hold up under repeated track heat cycles like the SC3.

3R have set lap records/near records at tracks I frequent in CA, usually mounted to a McLaren 720 or a GT3 RS. Many skilled McLaren and GT3 drivers say 3R are the preferred DOT track tire--non DOT I love the Pirelli DH. The point is these are pure track tires, and SC 3 are not.

SC 3 were designed for some track use but mostly for spirited driving on canyons, curves or backroads at street legal speeds, where the driver can't achieve the accel/turning/braking forces to make super-heated R comp tires like the 3R, R7 or DH literally melt and stick.

Yes, I may have said the 3 is the best road course, street legal tire but that is actually the 2nd best street the 3R.

Both have a racing compound with the 3R having a slightly better compound. But on Goodyears website, it says they both have race inspired compounds. In my opinion, the 3R is the soft compound tire and the 3 is the hard compound tire looking at out from a F1 tire concept.

I have no experience with a 3R on a road course as the 3 suits my needs as I'm not trying to set records or am able to push the car to its limits.

But if you think the 3 is good for a rainy track day or on the street then give it a shot and let us know how well that turns out for you.

[GearheadSS]

It's not officially gone but GM did tell us that it is unlikely that there will be any availability for 1LE. The reason? The wing. Pratt and Miller makes the wing for GM but I don't think they are building more than the 300+ for the CE cars.

[Mike818]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

It's not officially gone but GM did tell us that it is unlikely that there will be any availability for 1LE. The reason? The wing. Pratt and Miller makes the wing for GM but I don't think they are building more than the 300+ for the CE cars.

What doesn't make much sense about this is that this "not 1LE" track pack they are offering on the 24' includes the wing but is missing the front aero.

I wish they would be more transparent about what's going on. They just did a release about lug nuts and door spears but nothing about this.

[h018871]

Originally Posted by Mike818

The way I look at it, the ZL1 is a road car you can track and the ZLE is a track car you can road.

^^this^^ spot on Mike

[clg82]

Originally Posted by Mike818

For me it's in the tuning. ZL1 systems are tuned around street tires and ZLE systems are tuned around track tires.

Umm huh? you can also buy the 19" factory OEM wheels and factory ZLE tires......

[clg82]

Originally Posted by Z06ZLE

Haha well said. I know so many guys who dump truckloads of money into their cars, trying to squeeze every last ounce of performance from it, while not realizing that addressing their being 300lbs or more of “human ballast” could be the cheapest and most effective mod they could ever do.

If weight savings means that much to you, then start with looking in the mirror first.

Not sure if you're calling me fat here

[Mike818]

Originally Posted by clg82

Umm huh? you can also buy the 19" factory OEM wheels and factory ZLE tires......

Maybe your dealer will do some swapping around on your behalf, but I don't think you can get a regular ZL1 with just ZLE wheels and tires installed from the factory.

Originally Posted by clg82

Not sure if you're calling me fat here

Right? I was also like wtf? Projecting much?

[Stroker548]

GM just put up the configurator for 2024. 1LE track package NOT available for the ZL1. It is still available on the SS. Looks like you can get the 19 inch wheels on it, but thats it.

Nevermind. I see i am weeks late. LOL

[clg82]

Originally Posted by Mike818

Maybe your dealer will do some swapping around on your behalf, but I don't think you can get a regular ZL1 with just ZLE wheels and tires installed from the factory.



Right? I was also like wtf? Projecting much?

Their available all over the interwebs....

[Mike818]

Originally Posted by clg82

Umm huh? you can also buy the 19" factory OEM wheels and factory ZLE tires......

Originally Posted by clg82

Their available all over the interwebs....

I'm not saying you can't put the wheels and tires on the car. What I am saying is that the ZLE is the product of engineering a ZL1 to be balanced with those tires.

I'm sure there are plenty out there who could take a ZL1 and mod it into a ZLE clone. That requires lots of knowledge / resources I don't have though (and I'm sure a lot more than $7500). There's a risk modifications could void the warranty too. What I want is something that has had all that engineering baked in. So when I'm learning at the track I can focus on the driving and not be worried about the race engineering.

[GearheadSS]

Originally Posted by Mike818

What doesn't make much sense about this is that this "not 1LE" track pack they are offering on the 24' includes the wing but is missing the front aero.

I wish they would be more transparent about what's going on. They just did a release about lug nuts and door spears but nothing about this.

That's just an error with the online builder. They're not actually offering any of that stuff outside of the ZL1 1LE, which if available would include front aero.

[Mike818]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

That's just an error with the online builder. They're not actually offering any of that stuff outside of the ZL1 1LE, which if available would include front aero.

Thanks for straightening that out. Seems like good and bad news.

I'm sure there is some red tape / liability reason why this couldn't happen, but I've said before I'll happily take a wingless ZLE with an IOU.

[SnakeEyeSS]

Originally Posted by Mike818

Thanks for straightening that out. Seems like good and bad news.

I'm sure there is some red tape / liability reason why this couldn't happen, but I've said before I'll happily take a wingless ZLE with an IOU.

I thought GM also advised against aggressivly driving a ZL1 without the matching splitter and spoiler combo, because the aero balance is off. So not sure that will happen from the factory for liability reasons.

[Mike818]

Originally Posted by SnakeEyeSS

I thought GM also advised against aggressivly driving a ZL1 without the matching splitter and spoiler combo, because the aero balance is off. So not sure that will happen from the factory for liability reasons.

Just a hunch, but I think you probably have to be going faster than is legal on any public roads for that to be an issue.

I agree though that's probably one of the reasons for why they wouldn't sell the car like that.

Even if they wanted to offer a waiver, that's probably got to go through legal, and they probably don't think its worth the effort.