[Camaro1973]

Originally Posted by ZL1Atlanta

Got it, thanks. So the comparison is no cooling mods to adding a cooling mod. I’d say the results are what I’d expect.

Yes but you can add heat exchangers as thick as a house, your still not cooling water below ambient

[ZL1Atlanta]

Originally Posted by Camaro1973

Yes but you can add heat exchangers as thick as a house, your still not cooling water below ambient

You aren’t running under ambient where it counts either - when the car is at WOT. They obviously recover fast. And based on your 60-130, you are barely spinning that blower. I can tell you that on a full max effort 2650 (sub 3.80 60-130) with just an ice tank and pump (stock HX’s), even with no ice in it, the MAT temp will go down during a run and end up no more than 20-30 degrees above ambient. Obviously less if you’re putting ice in it.

[Camaro1973]

Originally Posted by ZL1Atlanta

You aren’t running under ambient where it counts either - when the car is at WOT. They obviously recover fast. And based on your 60-130, you are barely spinning that blower. I can tell you that on a full max effort 2650 (sub 3.80 60-130) with just an ice tank and pump (stock HX’s), even with no ice in it, the MAT temp will go down during a run and end up no more than 20-30 degrees above ambient. Obviously less if you’re putting ice in it.

Yes but that's 6+ gallons of coolant, trunk space etc. Many ways to do it, adding a trunk tank/ice etc wasn't for me. It still gets hot and that's what matters. I no longer lose power on hot days so that's all i care about. I also drop BELOW ambient and a max of 10F above. Sometimes not even (depends on ambient)

[ZL1Atlanta]

Originally Posted by Camaro1973

Yes but that's 6+ gallons of coolant, trunk space etc. Many ways to do it, adding a trunk tank/ice etc wasn't for me. It still gets hot and that's what matters. I no longer lose power on hot days so that's all i care about. I also drop BELOW ambient and a max of 10F above. Sometimes not even (depends on ambient)

Yeah a Maggie running at a peak of ~18k RPM shouldn’t be hard to keep cool with at least some cooling mods. Certainly shouldn’t get to a temp where spark is pulled.

I’m at ~28k, so there’s a little more heat being generated. I believe you’d want to add a tank still if you were running the blower harder. At least that’s what I keep reading about interchillers. If you get to that point, they make some great tanks that take almost no trunk room.

[Camaro1973]

Originally Posted by ZL1Atlanta

Yeah a Maggie running at a peak of ~18k RPM shouldn’t be hard to keep cool with at least some cooling mods. Certainly shouldn’t get to a temp where spark is pulled.

I’m at ~28k, so there’s a little more heat being generated. I believe you’d want to add a tank still if you were running the blower harder. At least that’s what I keep reading about interchillers. If you get to that point, they make some great tanks that take almost no trunk room.

I have a 2 gallon fender tank. Perfect for street/strip. It will never get hot enough for timing to be pulled, but the cooler dense air does make a difference.

[ZL1Atlanta]

Originally Posted by Camaro1973

I have a 2 gallon fender tank. Perfect for street/strip. It will never get hot enough for timing to be pulled, but the cooler dense air does make a difference.

Like you said, different ways to achieve cooler temps. I’m hoping to see an interchiller car anywhere near the top of the quickest 6th gen’s, but it hasn’t happened yet. Some of the the quickest cars are taking the AC off now and that weighs more than a 6 gallon tank.

[Camaro1973]

Originally Posted by ZL1Atlanta

Like you said, different ways to achieve cooler temps. I’m hoping to see an interchiller car anywhere near the top of the quickest 6th gen’s, but it hasn’t happened yet. Some of the the quickest cars are taking the AC off now and that weighs more than a 6 gallon tank.

I’m not looking to break records, this car is a street car

Your car is on a trailer most of you guys are removing screws from your cars to reduce weight lol.

[ZL1Atlanta]

Originally Posted by Camaro1973

I’m not looking to break records, this car is a street car

Your car is on a trailer most of you guys are removing screws from your cars to reduce weight lol.

Hey, it absolutely still sees the street on sunny weekend days, but you won’t see me commuting in it. Lol. And to be fair, I have still gone quicker than any interchiller 6th gen (by several tenths) when it was 100% interior, AC, stock front brakes, etc.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by ZL1Atlanta

Like you said, different ways to achieve cooler temps. I’m hoping to see an interchiller car anywhere near the top of the quickest 6th gen’s, but it hasn’t happened yet. Some of the the quickest cars are taking the AC off now and that weighs more than a 6 gallon tank.

Most of the 7 and 8 second 1/4 mile Hellcats in the world all run chillers. They work very well.

[ZL1Atlanta]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

Most of the 7 and 8 second 1/4 mile Hellcats in the world all run chillers. They work very well.

You mean blower + nitrous hellcats? I’ve never seen one with a blower go low-8’s without nitrous as well. Relatively speaking, that’s some cool air being thrown into the intake. ;-)

[Camaro1973]

Originally Posted by ZL1Atlanta

Hey, it absolutely still sees the street on sunny weekend days, but you won’t see me commuting in it. Lol. And to be fair, I have still gone quicker than any interchiller 6th gen (by several tenths) when it was 100% interior, AC, stock front brakes, etc.

Jason, I always thought you were a cool guy. But I have no idea how my thread turned into a pissing match about who’s car is faster in the 1/4 mile with or without a chiller.

My point is, your going to see better performance in the summer compared to any trunk tank, fish tank or dunk tank if you have a chiller. You’ve missed the entire point. There’s a huge difference in 140MAT temps to 90F. That’s what my topic was about.

I can care less what or who you race in the 1/4 and who has a chiller and who doesn’t.

[ZL1Atlanta]

Originally Posted by Camaro1973

Jason, I always thought you were a cool guy. But I have no idea how my thread turned into a pissing match about who’s car is faster in the 1/4 mile with or without a chiller.

My point is, your going to see better performance in the summer compared to any trunk tank, fish tank or dunk tank if you have a chiller. You’ve missed the entire point. There’s a huge difference in 140MAT temps to 90F. That’s what my topic was about.

I can care less what or who you race in the 1/4 and who has a chiller and who doesn’t.

Well my original question was just to understand the comparison you were making, which you answered, but then followed it up with a definitive statement about how HX/tanks could never be as good, even though you’ve never had anything else on your car. How other cars are performing is a very relevant data point if you are going to choose to make that argument. Temps sitting still or how fast they recover on a gauge is irrelevant to wide open throttle when the fluid is going through the blower.

[Camaro1973]

Originally Posted by ZL1Atlanta

Well my original question was just to understand the comparison you were making, which you answered, but then followed it up with a definitive statement about how HX/tanks could never be as good, even though you’ve never had anything else on your car. How other cars are performing is a very relevant data point if you are going to choose to make that argument. Temps sitting still or how fast they recover on a gauge is irrelevant to wide open throttle when the fluid is going through the blower.

I never said i didn't have them. I said it was stock before the chiller went on. I've had expansion tanks in between, I've had updated exchanger's on my other car.



Your still missing the point... 95F water temps going through a blower compared to 34F water is a huge difference. Unless your car can defy the laws of physics you are still not cooling water below ambient. Also isn't adding an ice tank and ice the same thing as super cooling the coolant like a chiller? An ice tank is good for 1/4 mile racing, no one is going to be dumping ice in their car driving around just to have to drain it every day, and ice lasts what? 30 minutes. Please stop comparing a 1/4 mile car to a street car.

[ZL1Atlanta]

Originally Posted by Camaro1973

I never said i didn't have them. I said it was stock before the chiller went on. I've had expansion tanks in between, I've had updated exchanger's on my other car.



Your still missing the point... 95F water temps going through a blower compared to 34F water is a huge difference. Unless your car can defy the laws of physics you are still not cooling water below ambient. Also isn't adding an ice tank and ice the same thing as super cooling the coolant like a chiller? An ice tank is good for 1/4 mile racing, no one is going to be dumping ice in their car driving around just to have to drain it every day, and ice lasts what? 30 minutes. Please stop comparing a 1/4 mile car to a street car.

Where are you getting this 34F? Your original post said on an 80 degree day MAT temps get up to 100 degrees on a 60-130 pull. So during the pull your blower is seeing 100 degrees. Great, they make your gauge go back down, but step on the gas again and you’ll see 100 again. I’m telling you with NO ICE, on that same day, my setup will show 110 degrees at wide open throttle. So I get off the gas and my MAT temp will show 130-ish. I step on the gas and it’s back down to 110. And this on the street, not 1/4 mile. And remember we are comparing a blower barely being used to one on the edge. With ice at the track it’ll be closer to 100-105 during the pass, depending on how long after I dump it in I’m able to get to the tree. This is also 0-160+ MPH.