[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

I had a 2020 GT500 CFTP for about 6 months and stock for stock its better in every way vs the ZL1 but since it was worth 20k more than I paid I sold it for 125k instead of driving it.

For 70k the ZL1 is really hard to beat, I feel great about driving it as it won't cost me 20 grand in pretend inflation value if I put some miles on it. With a couple mods it really wakes up and of course with a lot of mods it can make 1000 just like the GT500.

I don't miss the GT500 one single bit and I enjoy driving the ZL1 quite a lot. It has its own advantages vs the GT500 also, just not sound/performance type of things. More like intangibles. It really reminds me of a 4 seater version of my Z06's but also doesn't handle as squirrely either. It's an awesome street car.

Exactly. It’s better in every way and would have been worth it for sticker price before the price increase, but you can’t get them for anywhere near that. Used ones with thousands of miles are selling for over sticker. It’s insane

[clg82]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Well, for a "Furd" Shelby GT500 with a supercharged 760 HP engine, 7sp DCT, and comparably equipped to the ZL1 and HC RE. The HC RE is pretty much over $90K and when I optioned one out the way I'd like it, the price was actually $98K. So to get a GT500 that has similar features, is similar in the quarter mile, handles better, and retains it's value, to me that's a good deal. But to each their own. Once you own multiple platforms of high performance cars you will know more about them and be better able to compare how they are.


The ZL1 is a great car and I love mine. I'm also making considerably more power in my ZL1 than my other cars and it is by far the fastest one I have. GM hit all the right marks with the ZL1 and I always say I doubt any manufacturer can match what they did and at the same price.

But the GT500 is also a very awesome and powerful and fun to drive car. You can't go wrong either way if you ask me.

So for “similar features, similar quarter mile times, and retaining value” that’s worth an extra 30K+ not including dealer markup to you? what am I missing here? You forgot to mention the ZL1 is considerably lighter as well, I threw 8k at my Z and now am running if not beating GT500s, and I’m still considerably UNDER the MSRP of that Furd, and even more under the outrageous dealer markups most with blue oval glasses are dumb enough to spend on it. Have you looked at quarter mile times between the 500 and the ZL1?

[clg82]

Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

Exactly. It’s better in every way and would have been worth it for sticker price before the price increase, but you can’t get them for anywhere near that. Used ones with thousands of miles are selling for over sticker. It’s insane

some people will say anything to justify over paying for an inferior chassis, inferior interior and inferior quarter mile/track times

[SOCAL.M6.ZLE]

I also like to idea of getting as much power from the stock blower as possible. But... if you were only hoping for a 40hp gain, then i would do E85 first.

[Mac7504]

"Better in every way" doesn't really tell me anything to be honest and I'm not trying to be a dick. I only asked because I did look at the 500 for a quick second when it was taking forever to get my ZL1. In the end, I couldn't justify the price and it super dumb but I'm a Chevy guy through and through.

[CW3SF]

Originally Posted by SOCAL.M6.ZLE

I also like to idea of getting as much power from the stock blower as possible. But... if you were only hoping for a 40hp gain, then i would do E85 first.

OP stated no tune.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by clg82

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Sorry, can you repeat all that? My troll filter was on.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Mac7504

"Better in every way" doesn't really tell me anything to be honest and I'm not trying to be a dick. I only asked because I did look at the 500 for a quick second when it was taking forever to get my ZL1. In the end, I couldn't justify the price and it super dumb but I'm a Chevy guy through and through.

Over in the VS section myself and several other members have been posting about the differences between the major competing cars (Hellcat, ZL1, C8, C7 Z06, GT350, GT350R, GT500) for several years now. But it is a lot of info to sift thru. It would be very difficult for me to explain all that info in one post so I won't even try. The fact of the matter is that the GT500 and the ZL1 are in fact very close competitors. But again, it helps to look at all the competitors in this price range and see what they have to offer. In it's favor, the Shelby is more functional than the ZL1, handles better than the Hellcat Redeye, and comes at a MSRP in between the two. When you factor that they are all similarly equipped, it is easy to see how the GT500 would come at a MSRP between the HC RE and the ZL1. While it won't handle better than the ZL1, it will outrun one. While it won't outrun a HC RE, it will corner much better. So pretty much it's a rock paper scissors thing. The Shelby is a blast to drive and it is a lot of fun. It is a very powerful car. And stock to stock, it will pull on a ZL1. The top end on this car is just out of this world. Those are it's strengths. But again, you can't go wrong with any of the top tier Pony cars. They all are phenomenal.

Value-wise, yes the ZL1 is hard to beat. Matter of fact, it is unbeatable in that regard. I love mine and I can't even think about parting with it. Especially after modding it. It is a very enjoyable car. It is definitely my favorite car.

[BlaqWhole]

However we're getting off topic. LOL!! Again, if the warranty is the issue, then your best bet is to stick with a cai and catback. It won't net you 40 HP but it will liven the car up a bit. Running a higher percentage of E85 (as was mentioned) without a sensor and without a tune is dangerous. For starters, you won't really know your actual ethanol content without a sensor and gauge. And without a tune you'll just throw codes and it likely won't run properly. Running a ported blower on the stock tune is also not a good idea as you will likely throw a code and possibly harm your engine. If you did cause harm and bring it to the dealership then they will for sure find out that it was ported and your warranty will be toast anyway. So I would knock those two options off the table. Basically, anything you do that is serious enough to get you an extra 40 HP will require a tune. That is just the way it is unfortunately.

[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Over in the VS section myself and several other members have been posting about the differences between the major competing cars (Hellcat, ZL1, C8, C7 Z06, GT350, GT350R, GT500) for several years now. But it is a lot of info to sift thru. It would be very difficult for me to explain all that info in one post so I won't even try. The fact of the matter is that the GT500 and the ZL1 are in fact very close competitors. But again, it helps to look at all the competitors in this price range and see what they have to offer. In it's favor, the Shelby is more functional than the ZL1, handles better than the Hellcat Redeye, and comes at a MSRP in between the two. When you factor that they are all similarly equipped, it is easy to see how the GT500 would come at a MSRP between the HC RE and the ZL1. While it won't handle better than the ZL1, it will outrun one. While it won't outrun a HC RE, it will corner much better. So pretty much it's a rock paper scissors thing. The Shelby is a blast to drive and it is a lot of fun. It is a very powerful car. And stock to stock, it will pull on a ZL1. The top end on this car is just out of this world. Those are it's strengths. But again, you can't go wrong with any of the top tier Pony cars. They all are phenomenal.

Value-wise, yes the ZL1 is hard to beat. Matter of fact, it is unbeatable in that regard. I love mine and I can't even think about parting with it. Especially after modding it. It is a very enjoyable car. It is definitely my favorite car.

Don't mean to derail my own thread lol, but having owned them all, if you could only own one, which would you pick?

[clg82]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Sorry, can you repeat all that? My troll filter was on.

LoL says the guy stating a Furd is "better in every way" on a Chevrolet forum

[clg82]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Over in the VS section myself and several other members have been posting about the differences between the major competing cars (Hellcat, ZL1, C8, C7 Z06, GT350, GT350R, GT500) for several years now. But it is a lot of info to sift thru. It would be very difficult for me to explain all that info in one post so I won't even try. The fact of the matter is that the GT500 and the ZL1 are in fact very close competitors. But again, it helps to look at all the competitors in this price range and see what they have to offer. In it's favor, the Shelby is more functional than the ZL1, handles better than the Hellcat Redeye, and comes at a MSRP in between the two. When you factor that they are all similarly equipped, it is easy to see how the GT500 would come at a MSRP between the HC RE and the ZL1. While it won't handle better than the ZL1, it will outrun one. While it won't outrun a HC RE, it will corner much better. So pretty much it's a rock paper scissors thing. The Shelby is a blast to drive and it is a lot of fun. It is a very powerful car. And stock to stock, it will pull on a ZL1. The top end on this car is just out of this world. Those are it's strengths. But again, you can't go wrong with any of the top tier Pony cars. They all are phenomenal.

Value-wise, yes the ZL1 is hard to beat. Matter of fact, it is unbeatable in that regard. I love mine and I can't even think about parting with it. Especially after modding it. It is a very enjoyable car. It is definitely my favorite car.

Pull in what anything after the quarter mile? Their times are damn near identical, what are you doing racing to 200 mph when it has a chance to catch up? I know those statements may hurt your feelings, and you'll call me a troll but those are the facts......

[clg82]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

However we're getting off topic. LOL!! Again, if the warranty is the issue, then your best bet is to stick with a cai and catback. It won't net you 40 HP but it will liven the car up a bit. Running a higher percentage of E85 (as was mentioned) without a sensor and without a tune is dangerous. For starters, you won't really know your actual ethanol content without a sensor and gauge. And without a tune you'll just throw codes and it likely won't run properly. Running a ported blower on the stock tune is also not a good idea as you will likely throw a code and possibly harm your engine. If you did cause harm and bring it to the dealership then they will for sure find out that it was ported and your warranty will be toast anyway. So I would knock those two options off the table. Basically, anything you do that is serious enough to get you an extra 40 HP will require a tune. That is just the way it is unfortunately.

Seems to be how things go whenever you're "contributing" in a thread on here....

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by clg82

Pull in what anything after the quarter mile? Their times are damn near identical, what are you doing racing to 200 mph when it has a chance to catch up? I know those statements may hurt your feelings, and you'll call me a troll but those are the facts......

Are you seriously suggesting that a stock ZL1 will outrun or even keep up with a stock GT500 in the 1/4, or I have misunderstood your debate?